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But everyone in politics shows some partisanship... just as you would show partisanship to your Libertarian ways.


 


The problem is those same people "all good Americans" don't agree on the same path. That's what elections are for.




Not at all. It's not like we haven't been in the minority!:eek: But when there we obviously try to work harder to gain more public support.


As far as taxes... We have to have a progressive tax system if we want to have the things the people in this country want & need. Without it you'd in essence be raising taxes TREMENDOUSLY on those who could least afford it. 




Well good people can disagree. I liked being an Independent because I felt I was just voting for who I thought was the best person... but I found that can be tricky because best person often becomes most popular person. So I started also looking seriously at Party platform. That's when I became a Clinton Democrat. Since then I knew as we all know now Bush would be a train wreck. And yes I liked Obama, his policies and the way he changes the tone very much and supported him heavily. 


I don't believe the Constitution is necessarily outdated... I just know it was never perfect. And individual rights is many times a perspective thing. People would didn't want to serve blacks at their lunch counter thought that was their individual right... some would wish to take away a woman's own reproductive rights. You have to find balances in situations of such diversity of opinion.




Exactly! That's why Bush sucked so bad and President Obama should do much better. No one doubts he's much more intellegent.




Well get out there and do your best to form one. I don't see you getting very far without moderate Republicans. I mean it's pretty obvious the country is moving in the opposite direction but you're free to try.




The Constitution and Slavery: 

Provisions in the Original Constitution


Article I, Section. 2 [Slaves count as 3/5 persons] 

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons [i.e., slaves]. 

Article I, Section. 9, clause 1.  [No power to ban slavery until 1808]

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person. Article IV, Section. 2. [Free states cannot protect slaves]

No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.

Article V [No Constitutional Amendment to Ban Slavery Until 1808]

...No Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article.



But government is elected and can be changed by the will of it's people... that's a HUGE difference my friend.




Again you're talking about a bipartisan attempt to promote both home ownership and business gains. Which by the way was only slightly more than a tenth of the bad mortgage paper. 


Regardless had the regulation arms not been cut off for whatever reasons previously the regulators would have had the oversight & power to limit the damages by stepping in.




Well that's very sad. I'm sorry to say it doesn't speak highly of you. And just as an FYI the Churches & Charities can't keep up with the need as is is.




Well some of these policies are actually Bush policies but I'll make a few points. First... you'll get nowhere condemning me for supporting our new President because I do believe he'll do a very good job. I support SOME subsidies, don't like corporate welfare and as soon as we level off this Bush Recession I think the corporations should lose many of their tax breaks & loopholes. 




Dude... you ranted about character assassinating the guy all through the election and even said it was because people did it to Bush... give me a break!




Well that's a convenient little caveat ya got going there.:D No... actually there is more than one way to skin a cat and to stimulate and economy. We will see whether President Obama does well or whether he doesn't. 




Well let's see. He is very calm (No Drama Obama). And I've heard even the hardest people on the Right say how intelligent he is. He worked his way with his grades through Harvard... first Black editor of the Harvard Law Review... Constitutional Law Professor... State Senator... US Senator... oh, and first Black PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA! 


That seems a somewhat "smart guy" resume to me... but that's just me.:)




I know talking about McCain will make one do that sometimes. But give this new President a chance. Sometimes when the country loves somebody things actually get done... let's just see...


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