Thanksgiving: Deliverance from socialism

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A VERY timely notice for all of us.

We who are trying so hard to ignore history, may be dooming ourselves to repeat it.

How many will survive the experience the next time?

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http://www.post-journal.com/page/content.detail/id/545415.html?nav=5071

Thanksgiving: Deliverance From Socialism

by Daniel McLaughlin
POSTED: November 21, 2009

In the fall of the year 1623, William Bradford and the pilgrims who resided in Plymouth Plantation sat down for a thanksgiving feast. It was a celebration of a plentiful harvest. It hadn't been so in the preceding couple of years.

They had arrived in the new world in 1620. After the death of John Carver, the first governor of the colony, in April of 1621, Mr. Bradford was chosen as the second governor. From the start of their journey from England, he had kept a diary of their activities. They had early on decided on communal living and agreed to work all together for a common store of provisions and share equally in its use. He wrote that this community was found to breed much confusion and discontent. It retarded employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. "For the young men that were most able and fit for labour and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to worke for other men's wives and children, with out any recompence." The strong and productive didn't get any more food or provisions than the unproductive, and that was thought injustice. The older and weaker thought it indignity and disrespect to them to have to do the same amount of work as the younger and stronger. He wrote, "for men's wives to be commanded to doe service for other men, as dresing their meate, washing their cloaths, etc., they deemed it a kind of slavery, neither could many husbands well brooke it."

In other words, people produced less and were discontented when they were forced to work for the benefit of others, at the expense of their own well-being. Plymouth Colony had a first hand taste of the effects of socialism on a community. As Bradford described it, few crops were planted or harvested. For a couple of years, the people languished in misery, and many died.

In 1923, they decided to try something different to get a better crop and raise themselves up. The solution was to give each family its own plot of land, and to hold them responsible for their own welfare. The idea was that, if each family was allowed to prosper according to its own efforts, each person would have the incentive to work harder to plant and harvest more. Again in the words of Governor Bradford: "This had very good success; for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corne was planted than other ways would have been by any means the Governor or any other could use, and saved him a great deall of trouble, and gave far better content. The women now wente willingly into the field, and tooke their little-ones with them to set corne, which before would allege weakness, and inability; whom to have compelled would have been thought great tyranny and oppression."

William Bradford and the colonists had made a profound discovery. They had, in effect, conducted a controlled experiment in political organization. In everything other than property rights and personal responsibility, they continued as before. Under socialism, or communal living, or the Marxist philosophy of "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his need," the community languished. There was little incentive to produce more than the average. Thus the average declined and starvation and deprivation resulted.

Under conditions of private property, where families trusted in their own abilities, and "every man to his own particular," the people began to prosper. Bradford wrote in his journal several decades later that from that time on, they never suffered from deprivation, but rather the community improved and flourished.

That experiment has been conducted many times over the course of centuries, and indeed the whole of human history. The results are always ultimately the same. Where people are free to enjoy the benefits of their own labors and property, there is progress and plenty. Where property is subject to arbitrary confiscation, there is no incentive to produce. There is no incentive to try to accumulate wealth against unforeseen hardships of the future, and there is dependence, degradation and, ultimately, slavery.

This Thanksgiving season is a good time for reflection. Americans are traveling down a road toward the first Plymouth, the collectivism that leads to misery. As for me, I think we should be turning back toward the second Plymouth, toward personal responsibility and the resulting prosperity. Then we can join Governor Bradford in Thanksgiving for deliverance from the catastrophe called socialism.
 
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Nice post and so true.

But unfortunately most liberals no nothing of history so they keep repeating it.

All the left wing ideologies including Nazism lead to misery for all but the tyrannical elite. I guess all the liberals think they will be included in the elite. At least we will get satisfaction when they ultimately realize they are serfs too.
 
Yeah, lets not mention the Native Americans who lived for millenia in a largely collectivist society who prevented them from starving. In return of course, they were forced from thier historic lands and subjected to horrible disease and explotation.

When you are having your Thanksgiving dinner, know what price was exacted on the Natives so that you can have that opportunity.
 
Yeah, lets not mention the Native Americans who lived for millenia in a largely collectivist society
Works OK for some small groups. Families, for example, are usually run as collectives, and they work, more or less.

For big groups where social pressure can't be counted on to keep people in line, socialism flops, resulting in misery and deaths for thousands, or millions, as history demonstrates.
 
Works OK for some small groups. Families, for example, are usually run as collectives, and they work, more or less.

For big groups where social pressure can't be counted on to keep people in line, socialism flops, resulting in misery and deaths for thousands, or millions, as history demonstrates.

As I said before, collective societies(large ones) existed and even thrived in the America's before Columbus arrived. It was when the Europeans came and forced Christianity and capitalism that caused misery and death to millions of people. The same could be said for much of Africa, Australia, New Zealand, much of eastern Asia. Collective society worked just fine until Europeans showed up with capitalism.
 
Yeah, lets not mention the Native Americans who lived for millenia in a largely collectivist society who prevented them from starving. In return of course, they were forced from thier historic lands and subjected to horrible disease and explotation.

When you are having your Thanksgiving dinner, know what price was exacted on the Natives so that you can have that opportunity.

Oh please. You are another American with unreal grievances. Sad.

The native Americans were mistreated, but lets remember they were savages in most cases. The tribes were killing, torturing, and enslaving each other for millenia - well before the first white man showed up. They lived as hunter gathers and few had written language. They had not even invented the wheel. Their culture sucked and was destroyed. This happens throughout history.

No one alive is responsible for their demise. So, get over it and quite your *****ing.

Happy Thanksgiving All...
 
Oh please. You are another American with unreal grievances. Sad.

The native Americans were mistreated, but lets remember they were savages in most cases. The tribes were killing, torturing, and enslaving each other for millenia - well before the first white man showed up. They lived as hunter gathers and few had written language. They had not even invented the wheel. Their culture sucked and was destroyed. This happens throughout history.

No one alive is responsible for their demise. So, get over it and quite your *****ing.

Happy Thanksgiving All...

I kind of like the culture, What we still know of it. Though its easy to say that while I dont live in it.

But I am native and have learned about the culture. I can't disagree with you on anything you said except to say there was another part of it. It wasn't all bad. Some things were very good, so I disagree that it sucked. But it's time has passed, thats for sure!

But I agree they were seen as savages to the white men who came and no one living today is responsible and I think no one today should be forced to pay for tribal $$ or health care, its long past time to break that treaty. Hell, I have cousins who get monthly checks and health care for being native and they are blonde hair blue eyes and have no clue about their watered down history! this is pathetic!

Happy Thanksgiving!!
 
"In the fall of the year 1623, William Bradford and the pilgrims who resided in Plymouth Plantation sat down for a thanksgiving feast. It was a celebration of a plentiful harvest. It hadn't been so in the preceding couple of years.

They had arrived in the new world in 1620. After the death of John Carver, the first governor of the colony, in April of 1621, Mr. Bradford was chosen as the second governor. From the start of their journey from England, he had kept a diary of their activities. They had early on decided on communal living and agreed to work all together for a common store of provisions and share equally in its use.

In 1923, they decided to try something different to get a better crop and raise themselves up. The solution was to give each family its own plot of land, and to hold them responsible for their own welfare."
Whew!! Quite the "progressive"-lot, there.

What....did someone (finally) hit 'em over-the-head, with something, or is that the typical span-o'-time it takes "conservatives" to adapt to a need for Change?

Maybe the author was a little confused.

:rolleyes:
 
Nice post and so true.

But unfortunately most liberals no nothing of history so they keep repeating it.

All the left wing ideologies including Nazism lead to misery for all but the tyrannical elite. I guess all the liberals think they will be included in the elite. At least we will get satisfaction when they ultimately realize they are serfs too.
....So say the other bunker-dwellers, huh?

:rolleyes:
 
For big groups where social pressure can't be counted on to keep people in line, socialism flops....
....Yet, our present-day Puritans still haven't given-up on keeping people in line, despite their numerous-failures (...and, threats of eternal-damnation) in-the-past.​
 
Oh please. You are another American with unreal grievances. Sad.

The native Americans were mistreated, but lets remember they were savages in most cases. The tribes were killing, torturing, and enslaving each other for millenia - well before the first white man showed up.
Yeah....we've really progressed, since then....

"Look at me, Jesus. I've been in the battle. I've been fighting for you."

:rolleyes:

*****

We've obviously lost-our-edge.....when it comes to converting "savages".​
 
Thanksgiving has lost all of it's meaning. Most people consider it another excuse to feast. I cant wait to celebrate. mmmmmmmmm, outdated ideals that do not work.
 
But I agree they were seen as savages to the white men who came and no one living today is responsible and I think no one today should be forced to pay.....

Happy Thanksgiving!!
Ah, yes....that grand ol' Puritan/Christian-tradition of:​

"Yeah, we've got a LONG history of screwin'-things up...and, screwin' other-people over...but, at least we're WHITE!!!!"​
 
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