The Down-Side O' BAILIN' From 'Nam!!!!!

[Mr. Shaman]

There is none.

The Vietnamese are (quite) obviously less small-minded than U.S.-"conservatives".​

"Along the Danang coastline where U.S. troops used to swim and surf, luxury hotels such as Hyatt and Marriott are springing up. Tourists are flocking to the region, where they can shoot a few rounds at a course designed by professional golf star Colin Montgomerie.

The relationship between the United States and communist Vietnam has also changed dramatically since the former foes normalized relations in 1995. Trade has boomed, and diplomatic and military ties have grown closer."

As usual, Bill Clinton got it RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!​

 

[dahermit]

The down side of exiting Viet Nam when we did was that it denied the "opportunity" for another 50,000 or so young Americans and a few million more young Vietnamese to be killed for nothing.

The North Vietnamese viewed the war as a continuing process, we viewed it as an event. They were prepared for the process to take as long as necessary. We could not win with our mind set against theirs.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

The North Vietnamese viewed the war as a continuing process, we viewed it as an event. They were prepared for the process to take as long as necessary. We could not win with our mind set against theirs.

Mindset???? Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

We SCREWED the Vietnamese!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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World War II​

"Ho Chi Minh met with the U.S. operative, Major Patti, and they agreed on joint anti-Japanese actions. The U.S. dropped supplies behind the lines to Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh helped Americans downed behind Japanese lines. The first American advisors helped train, equip and arm the Viet Minh. In 1945, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam was formed with Ho Chi Minh as the first President. American planes flew over Hanoi in celebration of the founding. The Vietnamese Declaration of Independence echoed that of the U.S.: "All men are created equal. They are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...This immortal statement is extracted from the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776. Understood in the broader sense this means: All people on earth are born equal. Every person has the right to live, to be happy, and free."

Ho Chi Minh asked the Americans to honor their commitment to independence, citing the Atlantic Charter and the U.N. Charter on self-determination. However, by the end of the war, the U.S. government had begun to redirect its foreign policy from the wartime goal of the liberation of all occupied countries and colonies to the postwar anti-communist crusade, which became the Cold War. In France, where communists had led the resistance to the Nazi occupation, American policy supported General Charles de Gaulle and his anti-communist "Free French." De Gaulle aimed to restore the glory of France, which meant the return of all former French colonies. U.S. relations with the Vietnamese turned sour. President Truman refused to answer letters or cables from Ho. Instead, the U.S. began to ship military aid to the French forces in Indochina."

This is THE perfect-offering, describing what'd happened, back then!!!

Originally, it was a 13-part series (I'd video-taped, when it was first aired; '83), on PBS. In the first-segment (The History of 'Nam), there's an interview with a Brit-historian, who'd suggested..."If the French Empire failed, it'd also signal the end o' the British Empire."...explaining how England (also) felt a need to get involved.

This DVD would be a GREAT historical-reference, for you!!!!!

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[Mr. Shaman]

The Sales & Marketing Of WAR

 

[BigRob]

There is none.

The Vietnamese are (quite) obviously less small-minded than U.S.-"conservatives".


As usual, Bill Clinton got it RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!​

Normalization was a buildup of a series of events, starting in the 1980s.... it is simplistic to allocate Clinton with all the credit for this.

That said, normalization was a good thing, and trade agreements continued all throughout the Bush years as well, expanding upon normalization.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Normalization was a buildup of a series of events, starting in the 1980s.... it is simplistic to allocate Clinton with all the credit for this.

Ah, yes.....Bill Clinton was (only) responsible for what "conservatives" deemed Negative, on His Watch....and, everything (they'd) designated Positive, on His Watch, couldn't POSSIBLY have been due to his presence in The Whitehouse!

Yeah....it's all clear, now.

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[BigRob]

Ah, yes.....Bill Clinton was (only) responsible for what "conservatives" deemed Negative, on His Watch....and, everything (they'd) designated Positive, on His Watch, couldn't POSSIBLY have been due to his presence in The Whitehouse!

Yeah....it's all clear, now.

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Well that is not what I even said... but OK. Normalizing relations was a good thing, but ignoring the build up before Clinton came to office is a simplistic view of the situation.

In no manner does that statement bash Clinton.