there is no climate change part 617

[Stalin]

when are our ignorant maga wingnuts ever going to learn about the greenhouse effect...

looks like frump's big cull of the weather service is paying off bigtime...

the useless frump is "shocked"..well guess what..whose fault are these deaths..expect more of this

"..A major search and rescue operation is continuing through the night in Texas after flash floods killed at least 24 people and left many girls missing from a Christian summer camp.

There was little warning as the Guadalupe River rose 26 feet (7.9m) in less than an hour and flooding that followed swept away mobile homes, vehicles and holiday cabins where people were spending the 4 July weekend.

Rescue crews are still searching for up to 25 children who were among the 750 girls attending the Camp Mystic just outside the town of Kerrville 104km (64.0 miles) north-west of San Antonio.

A state of emergency has been declared in several counties where several roads have been washed away and phone lines are down.

...

Kerr County's most senior official, Judge Rob Kelly, was asked during a news conference as to why camps along the Guadalupe River were not evacuated in advance.

"We didn't know this flood was coming. Rest assured, no one knew this kind of flood was coming," Kelly said.

He then added "we do not have a warning system" in the area. Kelly added what happened on Friday far surpassed a flood in 1987, which killed 10 teenagers on a church camp bus near the town of Comfort, south of Kerr County.

According to the BBC's US partner CBS News, the Texas Division of Emergency Management had multiple meetings on Thursday to prepare, but officials said the National Weather Service "did not predict the amount of rain that we saw".

Original estimates were of up to 8 inches (20cm) of rain.

Texas floods kill 24 people and leave many missing from girls' summer camp

Emergency workers had rescued more than 230 people so far after overnight flooding along the Guadalupe River.

nz.news.yahoo.com

comrade stalin
moscow

 

[mark francis]

when are our ignorant maga wingnuts ever going to learn about the greenhouse effect...

looks like frump's big cull of the weather service is paying off bigtime...

the useless frump is "shocked"..well guess what..whose fault are these deaths..expect more of this

"..A major search and rescue operation is continuing through the night in Texas after flash floods killed at least 24 people and left many girls missing from a Christian summer camp.

There was little warning as the Guadalupe River rose 26 feet (7.9m) in less than an hour and flooding that followed swept away mobile homes, vehicles and holiday cabins where people were spending the 4 July weekend.

Rescue crews are still searching for up to 25 children who were among the 750 girls attending the Camp Mystic just outside the town of Kerrville 104km (64.0 miles) north-west of San Antonio.

A state of emergency has been declared in several counties where several roads have been washed away and phone lines are down.

...

Kerr County's most senior official, Judge Rob Kelly, was asked during a news conference as to why camps along the Guadalupe River were not evacuated in advance.

"We didn't know this flood was coming. Rest assured, no one knew this kind of flood was coming," Kelly said.

He then added "we do not have a warning system" in the area. Kelly added what happened on Friday far surpassed a flood in 1987, which killed 10 teenagers on a church camp bus near the town of Comfort, south of Kerr County.

According to the BBC's US partner CBS News, the Texas Division of Emergency Management had multiple meetings on Thursday to prepare, but officials said the National Weather Service "did not predict the amount of rain that we saw".

Original estimates were of up to 8 inches (20cm) of rain.

Texas floods kill 24 people and leave many missing from girls' summer camp

Emergency workers had rescued more than 230 people so far after overnight flooding along the Guadalupe River.

nz.news.yahoo.com

comrade stalin
moscow

Anyone dismissing facts that do not support out-of-bounds alarmist views of global warming are either ignorant or dishonest. Either way, global warming proponents have proven they are not seeking the truth but instead are intent on promoting only their one-sided assumptions, opinions, conclusions, and narratives about global warming.

 

[Stalin]

Which "facts" are these ?

comrade stalin
moscow

 

[Stalin]

You are compleltely out of your depth and appear to have been well mis-informed by the usual suspects..

there is no scientific debate over climate change - only a political one

History of climate change science - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

the few scientists espousing contrarian views on the subject are mainly retired physics professors
unable to live on their meagre pensions being supported by the largesse of fossil fuel bribes,

do yourself a favour and read a couple of books that show how you have been so easily fooled

"Global warming is the number one environmental issue of our time, yet some prominent politicians have refused to accept scientific evidence of human responsibility and have opposed any legislation or international agreement that would limit greenhouse gas emissions. A few have gone even further and have tried to destroy the reputations of scientists researching climate change by deliberately undermining the credibility of their research. These politicians have sought to sow seeds of doubt in the minds of the public and to weaken public and political support for the control of fossil fuel use.

In this powerful book, highly respected climate scientist Raymond Bradley provides the inside story from the front lines of the debate. In clear and direct language, he describes the tactics those in power have used to intimidate him and his colleagues part of a larger pattern of governmental suppression of scientific information, politics at the expense of empirically based discourse. Speaking from his experience, Bradley exposes the fault lines in the global warming debate, while providing a concise primer on climate change. The result is a cautionary tale of how politics and science can become fatally intertwine

Amazon.com

Merchants of Doubt: How a Handful of Scientists Obscured the Truth on Issues from Tobacco Smoke to Global Warming is a 2010 non-fiction book by American historians of science Naomi Oreskes and Erik M. Conway. It identifies parallels between the global warming controversy and earlier controversies over tobacco smoking, acid rain, DDT, and the hole in the ozone layer. Oreskes and Conway write that in each case "keeping the controversy alive" by spreading doubt and confusion after a scientific consensus had been reached was the basic strategy of those opposing action. In particular, they show that Fred Seitz, Fred Singer, and a few other contrarian scientists joined forces with conservative think tanks and private corporations to challenge the scientific consensus on many contemporary issues.

Some of the book's subjects have been critical of the book, but most reviewers received it favorably. It was made into a film, Merchants of Doubt, directed by Robert Kenner, released in 2014.

Oreskes and Conway write that a handful of politically conservative scientists, with strong ties to particular industries, have "played a disproportionate role in debates about controversial questions". The authors write that this has resulted in "deliberate obfuscation" of the issues which has had an influence on public opinion and policy-making.

Amazon.com

comrade stalin
moscow

 

[Stalin]

alarmist

excellent word to use in the context

what do you do when your building is burning down ?

raise the ALARM..

this is alarming

Greenhouse effect - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

comrade stalin
moscow

 

[mark francis]

Which "facts" are these ?

comrade stalin
moscow

Here is one of many sources that raise reasonable questions about climate change assumptions.

Empirical Evidence Contradicts IPCC Models and Solar Forcing Assumptions - Citizens' Task Force on Wind Power - Maine

Citizens' Task Force on Wind Power - Maine
Empirical Evidence Contradicts IPCC Models and Solar Forcing Assumptions

 

[Stalin]

a site no-one has heard of that presents no datasets and recycles the usual fossil fuel talking points

present something credible - a site with real science in it -not some echo chamber that presents your delusions

comrade stalin
moscow

 

[Stalin]

a site no-one has heard of that presents no datasets and recycles the usual fossil fuel talking points

present something credible a site with real science in it - onthing some echo chamber that

comrade stalin
moscow

 

[Stalin]

guess what....

Crucial positions at the local offices of the National Weather Service were unfilled as severe rainfall inundated parts of Central Texas on Friday morning, prompting some experts to question whether staffing shortages made it harder for the forecasting agency to coordinate with local emergency managers as floodwaters rose.

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The Weather Service’s nearby San Antonio office, which covers other areas hit by the floods, also had significant vacancies, including a warning coordination meteorologist and science officer, Mr. Fahy said. Staff members in those positions are meant to work with local emergency managers to plan for floods, including when and how to warn local residents and help them evacuate.

That office’s warning coordination meteorologist left on April 30, after taking the early retirement package the Trump administration used to reduce the number of federal employees, according to a person with knowledge of his departure.

........

Under the Trump administration, the Weather Service, like other federal agencies, has been pushed to reduce its number of employees. By this spring, through layoffs and retirements, the Weather Service had lost nearly 600 people from a work force that until recently was as large as 4,000.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/05/us/politics/texas-floods-warnings-vacancies.html

comrade stalin
moscow

 

[Stalin]

more

Experts warned for months about cuts to NWS and NOAA

Ron Filipkowski Jul 05, 2025

As the best and the brightest were being fired at the National Weather Service and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration by senseless and draconian ‘DOGE’ cuts earlier this year under Trump, with no reason given except for the need to cut a paltry amount of the government’s budget, experts warned repeatedly that the cuts would have deadly consequences during the storm season. And they have.

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And the chickens have come home to roost. Hundreds of people have already been killed across the US in a variety of storms including deadly tornadoes - many of which were inaccurately forecasted. And we are just entering peak hurricane season. Meteorologist Chris Vagasky posted earlier this spring on social media: “The world’s example for weather services is being destroyed.”

Now, after severe flooding in non-evacuated areas in Texas has left at least 24 dead with dozens more missing, including several young girls at a summer camp, Texas officials are blaming their failure to act on a faulty forecast by Donald Trump’s new National Weather Service gutted by cuts to their operating budget and most experienced personnel.

At a press conference last night, one official said: “The original forecast we received on Wednesday from the National Weather Service predicted 3-6” of rain in the Concho Valley and 4-8” of rain in the hill country. The amount of rain that fell in these locations was never in any of their forecasts. Everybody got the forecast from the National Weather Service. They did not predict the amount of rain that we saw.

https://www.meidasplus.com/p/texas-...ted?r=9qw74&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

comrade stalin
moscow

 

[mark francis]

a site no-one has heard of that presents no datasets and recycles the usual fossil fuel talking points

present something credible - a site with real science in it -not some echo chamber that presents your delusions

comrade stalin
moscow

There are multiple credible reports challenging the climate change narratives. Do you believe no reports that present significant challenges to climate change narratives are valid at all?

 

[Stalin]

climate change is a hypothesis...

what is your alternative hypothesis ?

comrade stalin
moscow

 

[mark francis]

climate change is a hypothesis...

what is your alternative hypothesis ?

comrade stalin
moscow

Reasonable people do not reject data that contradicts popular narratives.