Trump - a savvy businessman?

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Talking about Trump as a businessman.

He has lost a lot of money on Bitcoin recently

His own company called "Official Trump" Bitcoin, started trading at 75.35 and closed today at 6.65. That is more than a 90% loss.......... and in Bitcoin itself:

Losses on Trump Media's Bitcoin Holdings

Trump Media & Technology Group's investment in Bitcoin has decreased in value since its acquisition.
  • Purchase details: TMTG began acquiring Bitcoin in May 2025 and, as of a September 30, 2025 filing, held 11,542 Bitcoin. Most of this was acquired at an average cost of over $118,500 per coin.
  • Current status: With recent Bitcoin prices falling significantly from those acquisition costs (around $102,000 to $92,000 per BTC as of November 2025 reporting), TMTG has likely incurred hundreds of millions of dollars in paper losses on its Bitcoin treasury in Q4 2025 alone.

Losses on the "Official Trump" ($TRUMP) Meme Coin
The "Official Trump" meme coin has experienced a massive drop from its peak value.
  • All-time high: The $TRUMP coin reached an all-time high of approximately $75.35 per token in January 2025.
  • Current price: As of November 20, 2025, the price has plummeted to approximately $6.65 per token, representing a drop of over 90% from its peak.
We do not know how much he invested in the "Official Trump" bitcoin so we cannot say how much he has lost in his own company, but in Bitcoin, Trump is presently showing a loss of $361 million.

So much for a savvy businessman.
 
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Talking about Trump as a businessman.

He has lost a lot of money on Bitcoin recently

His own company called "Official Trump" Bitcoin, started trading at 75.35 and closed today at 6.65. That is more than a 90% loss.......... and in Bitcoin itself:

Losses on Trump Media's Bitcoin Holdings

Trump Media & Technology Group's investment in Bitcoin has decreased in value since its acquisition.
  • Purchase details: TMTG began acquiring Bitcoin in May 2025 and, as of a September 30, 2025 filing, held 11,542 Bitcoin. Most of this was acquired at an average cost of over $118,500 per coin.
  • Current status: With recent Bitcoin prices falling significantly from those acquisition costs (around $102,000 to $92,000 per BTC as of November 2025 reporting), TMTG has likely incurred hundreds of millions of dollars in paper losses on its Bitcoin treasury in Q4 2025 alone.

Losses on the "Official Trump" ($TRUMP) Meme Coin
The "Official Trump" meme coin has experienced a massive drop from its peak value.
  • All-time high: The $TRUMP coin reached an all-time high of approximately $75.35 per token in January 2025.
  • Current price: As of November 20, 2025, the price has plummeted to approximately $6.65 per token, representing a drop of over 90% from its peak.
We do not know how much he invested in the "Official Trump" bitcoin so we cannot say how much he has lost in his own company, but in Bitcoin, Trump is presently showing a loss of $361 million.

So much for a savvy businessman.
Very few successful businessmen never experienced business failures before winning in the end.
 
written as if frump has ever been a successful business man

Of the many publicly known unsavory elements of Donald Trump's past, his bankruptcies, in particular, have been cited as key reasons to question his economic policies. While Trump has never filed for personal bankruptcy, he has filed for corporate bankruptcy a whopping six times.

Despite the fact that Trump has previously claimed that his past bankruptcies were not his personal responsibility, the reality is a bit different. He told Forbes in 2011, "I've cut debt — by the way, this isn't me personally, it's a company." However, his first bankruptcy in 1991 did leave him personally liable for a portion of the debt attributed to his Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City. In fact, Trump was found personally liable for around $900 million of the casino's debt due to his using junk bonds with high interest rates to finance the initial construction of the casino. In the restructuring agreement for this first bankruptcy, Trump was forced to sell his 220-foot Trump Princess yacht, an airline he owned, and half of his ownership in the Trump Taj Mahal company.

However, instead of learning this lesson from this initial bankruptcy, Trump went on to declare bankruptcy many more times, taking advantage of loopholes and restructuring policies to avoid debt. Trump also told Forbes, "Basically I've used the laws of the country to my advantage... just as many, many others on top of the business world have." While this may be a true statement in the world of business, as a now-second-term President, it could leave consumers financially worried.

Of Donald Trumps' six bankruptcies, all but one was tied to his casino and hotel properties in Atlantic City, New Jersey. These gambling and hospitality properties, founded under the name Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts in 1995 (and rebranded under the name Trump Entertainment Resorts in 2004 following yet another bankruptcy) faced ongoing financial problems. It's worth mentioning that as of 2016, none of the properties that fell under the umbrella of Trump Entertainment Resorts are open or owned by the company anymore.

Just one year after Trump first declared bankruptcy for his Trump Taj Mahal casino, he declared bankruptcy a second and third time for different properties. The first was Trump Castle, another Atlantic City gambling hall that, ironically, faced major competition from Trumps' Taj Mahal. As part of the bankruptcy agreement, Trump gave up his 50% share in the casino in exchange for lower interest rates on the casino's $338 million in bonds. Also in 1992, Trump filed for bankruptcy on yet another Atlantic City property, the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino. Trump's fourth bankruptcy was for the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan. After this bankruptcy, Trump technically remained the hotel's CEO, however the reality was that he earned no salary and had no actual operational authority over the hotel.

Trump's fifth and sixth bankruptcies centered yet again on his casino and resort corporation. After the sixth, in 2009, Trump parted ways with Trump Entertainment Resorts, with the company going on to file bankruptcy yet again in 2014 and folding completely in 2016.

Each corporate bankruptcy has required concessions from Donald Trump as part of the restructuring process. Perhaps the most common was that Trump had to give up his own stake in the company as part of its financial restructuring. In his first and second corporate bankruptcies, he gave up 50% of his stake in each company. During his fourth bankruptcy, Trump gave up 49% of his stake in the Plaza Hotel. Finally, during the fifth bankruptcy Trump had to reduce his 47% stake in his casino company to just 27% before reducing it even further (to 10%) during the sixth bankruptcy. However, these concessions allowed for lower interest rates and restructured debt that kept his companies going.

An important thing to keep in mind is how easy it is to conflate personal bankruptcy and corporate bankruptcy when it comes to Trump's specific naming convention. As Michael Viscount, a lawyer with Fox Rothschild LLP (the firm that represented creditors during the Trump Hotel and Casino's 2004 Chapter 11 filing) explained to Forbes, "Corporations, limited partnerships, and LLCs in which he had an ownership interest or companies that had his name attached have filed for bankruptcy. Therein lies the big distinction." Trump's use of his own name within his corporation's names has made it easy for consumers to assume his business bankruptcy filings were personal ones. However, after his first 1991 bankruptcy (in which he was found financially liable), he stopped guaranteeing any future debt with his own wealth. This has kept his personal liability nonexistent on subsequent corporate bankruptcies.

Read More: https://www.moneydigest.com/1773271/times-donald-trump-went-into-bankruptcy-how-he-recovered/

comrade stalin
moscow
 

Trump - a savvy businessman?

Talking about Trump as a businessman.
He has lost a lot of money on Bitcoin recently
His own company called "Official Trump" Bitcoin, started trading at 75.35 and closed today at 6.65. That is more than a 90% loss.......... and in Bitcoin itself:
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Gotta give him points for consistency!!
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written as if frump has ever been a successful business man

Of the many publicly known unsavory elements of Donald Trump's past, his bankruptcies, in particular, have been cited as key reasons to question his economic policies. While Trump has never filed for personal bankruptcy, he has filed for corporate bankruptcy a whopping six times.

Despite the fact that Trump has previously claimed that his past bankruptcies were not his personal responsibility, the reality is a bit different. He told Forbes in 2011, "I've cut debt — by the way, this isn't me personally, it's a company." However, his first bankruptcy in 1991 did leave him personally liable for a portion of the debt attributed to his Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City. In fact, Trump was found personally liable for around $900 million of the casino's debt due to his using junk bonds with high interest rates to finance the initial construction of the casino. In the restructuring agreement for this first bankruptcy, Trump was forced to sell his 220-foot Trump Princess yacht, an airline he owned, and half of his ownership in the Trump Taj Mahal company.

However, instead of learning this lesson from this initial bankruptcy, Trump went on to declare bankruptcy many more times, taking advantage of loopholes and restructuring policies to avoid debt. Trump also told Forbes, "Basically I've used the laws of the country to my advantage... just as many, many others on top of the business world have." While this may be a true statement in the world of business, as a now-second-term President, it could leave consumers financially worried.

Of Donald Trumps' six bankruptcies, all but one was tied to his casino and hotel properties in Atlantic City, New Jersey. These gambling and hospitality properties, founded under the name Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts in 1995 (and rebranded under the name Trump Entertainment Resorts in 2004 following yet another bankruptcy) faced ongoing financial problems. It's worth mentioning that as of 2016, none of the properties that fell under the umbrella of Trump Entertainment Resorts are open or owned by the company anymore.

Just one year after Trump first declared bankruptcy for his Trump Taj Mahal casino, he declared bankruptcy a second and third time for different properties. The first was Trump Castle, another Atlantic City gambling hall that, ironically, faced major competition from Trumps' Taj Mahal. As part of the bankruptcy agreement, Trump gave up his 50% share in the casino in exchange for lower interest rates on the casino's $338 million in bonds. Also in 1992, Trump filed for bankruptcy on yet another Atlantic City property, the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino. Trump's fourth bankruptcy was for the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan. After this bankruptcy, Trump technically remained the hotel's CEO, however the reality was that he earned no salary and had no actual operational authority over the hotel.

Trump's fifth and sixth bankruptcies centered yet again on his casino and resort corporation. After the sixth, in 2009, Trump parted ways with Trump Entertainment Resorts, with the company going on to file bankruptcy yet again in 2014 and folding completely in 2016.

Each corporate bankruptcy has required concessions from Donald Trump as part of the restructuring process. Perhaps the most common was that Trump had to give up his own stake in the company as part of its financial restructuring. In his first and second corporate bankruptcies, he gave up 50% of his stake in each company. During his fourth bankruptcy, Trump gave up 49% of his stake in the Plaza Hotel. Finally, during the fifth bankruptcy Trump had to reduce his 47% stake in his casino company to just 27% before reducing it even further (to 10%) during the sixth bankruptcy. However, these concessions allowed for lower interest rates and restructured debt that kept his companies going.

An important thing to keep in mind is how easy it is to conflate personal bankruptcy and corporate bankruptcy when it comes to Trump's specific naming convention. As Michael Viscount, a lawyer with Fox Rothschild LLP (the firm that represented creditors during the Trump Hotel and Casino's 2004 Chapter 11 filing) explained to Forbes, "Corporations, limited partnerships, and LLCs in which he had an ownership interest or companies that had his name attached have filed for bankruptcy. Therein lies the big distinction." Trump's use of his own name within his corporation's names has made it easy for consumers to assume his business bankruptcy filings were personal ones. However, after his first 1991 bankruptcy (in which he was found financially liable), he stopped guaranteeing any future debt with his own wealth. This has kept his personal liability nonexistent on subsequent corporate bankruptcies.

Read More: https://www.moneydigest.com/1773271/times-donald-trump-went-into-bankruptcy-how-he-recovered/

comrade stalin
moscow
Trump won and lost in business ventures, something most democrats have never experienced.
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Very few successful businessmen never experienced business failures before winning in the end.
In Trump's case though and in over 50 years, his losses have far surmounted his gains. In FACT, if he had simply put the money his father gave him into a fund, he would have 4 times more money than what he has now. In fact and in 1998, the U.S. banking industry refused to lend him any money and he had to go to a German bank that was bankrolled by the Russians and had to partner up with a Russian backed Mafia company even to be able to get out of debt. You call that "winning in the end"?

The only thing he has ever truly won is conning people. You are the perfect example of that.
 
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In Trump's case though and in over 50 years, his losses have far surmounted his gains. In FACT, if he had simply put the money his father gave him into a fund, he would have 4 times more money than what he has now. In fact and in 1998, the U.S. banking industry refused to lend him any money and he had to go to a German bank that was bankrolled by the Russians and had to partner up with a Russian backed Mafia company even to be able to get out of debt. You call that "winning in the end"?

The only thing he has ever truly won is conning people. You are the perfect example of that.
One reason democrats are so bad at budgeting and spending is that so many leftists have never owned a business of their own that was forced to make a profit in bad times or go out of business.
 
One reason democrats are so bad at budgeting and spending is that so many leftists have never owned a business of their own that was forced to make a profit in bad times or go out of business.
If the idea was to "individually" gain, then you are mostly correct. If the idea is to have the country gain, then you are 100% wrong.

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This is the difference between Republicans and Democrats:

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Then of course, there is one thing to consider........and how each side goes after accomplishing goals. The Democrats go about it legally and Constitutionally and the Republicans, not so much

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You CANNOT argue against the facts.
 
I would not put too much faith in debatable claims made by biased parties that lack satisfactory support.
Why did I KNOW that would be your response? It is the same one I have gotten from every single Trump supporter for every data, statistic and fact that is negative to Trump.

Okay, then supply your own debatable data, statistics and facts that dispute those given. Data, statistics and facts are always there and available, so provide them to prove YOUR side!
 
Wow, @mark francis usually responds to posts right away and yet, he has yet to respond to my last post where I asked him to supply data, statistics and facts that prove his words........... could his silence be he can't do that?
 
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Wow, @mark francis usually responds to posts right away and yet, he has yet to respond to my last post where I asked him to supply data, statistics and facts that prove his words........... could his silence be he can't do that?
Sorry. I also do other things besides post here. I cautioned about accepting biased reports about the economy because reports do differ wildly depending on the bias of the source. For example, here is a source that contradicts your source:

www.heritage.org › markets-and-finance › commentaryLabor Department Admits Hundreds of Thousands of Biden Jobs ...


Key Takeaways​

The Biden administration claimed to have added almost 400,000 jobs from July through September of last year, but new data suggest none of those jobs ever existed.
The monthly reports had overestimated the number of jobs during those 12 months and were revised down by nearly 600,000.
Trump was elected to fix our finances, which were much worse than Biden’s cronies would ever admit.
 
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