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OK, then, rather than just skirt around the practice of torturing prisoners, let's not stop with what we ourselves have prosecuted as torture when others have done it.  If there is some doubt that waterboarding, inducing hypothermia, keeping people awake for a week and a half, making them stay in painful positions, scaring them with dogs and bugs, if none of that is torture, and yet we need to torture prisoners to obtain information, then here is what we need to do:


Line up ten or so against  the wall.  Ask a pertinent question, and say you will shoot a kneecap every thirty seconds until someone answers.  Inform the prisoners that, should they give false information, the liar will be shot in both knees, then in the head.


Then start shooting. 


It's simple, and, if torture is effective, and if we really don't care what other nations think of us, then that is what we need to do.


Isn't that better than a mushroom cloud over New York?


It might even be better than one over San Francisco, even if the dang liberals who live  there protest the actions I've just described.


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