It is the same. It is causing actual physical pain and could cause internal medical problems or even death if overused or used on a person with a wide range of medical conditions.
It's like sometimes people die when they're tazed. Let go on long enough, on enough subjects, someone would eventually die.
It is an act to extract information whether it is available or not by inflicting real & physical pain & suffering while the person is made to feel as if they are dying.
You can agree with doing something wrong in an end justifies the mean way... but you cannot turn wrong into right.
Not only can it affect the treatment of our own captured now... it can have lasting ramifications in all future conflicts & in our attempts in the future to prosecute others who torture.
Furthermore we look so bad in the eyes of the world there is a Spanish Court trying to set up arrest warrants for various members of the Bush administration as we speak.
Obviously not for you.
There are a lot of child rapists killers and mass murders too. They shouldn't be and aren't tortured even if we believe they have a live captive somewhere.
It sometimes is not easy being a country of laws and a country that doesn't torture to try and build a case or prevent a death. But America is a place where we send people to trial & punish... not have a jailer become judge & jury.
Bush declared the conflict. Bin Laden declared the conflict. That's as declared a conflict as anyone can get when one side is not fighting out of a single recognized country but out of a region.
The fighters wear their local garb just as the Viet Cong did. And how can you choose to forget the stories out of Vietnam where the little kid would walk up to an American GI with a hand grenade on them or in a stuffed toy???
Unfortunately now I am convinced that you do think everything has been just fine Rob.
Torturing people is torturing people. It's not right whoever does it I'm sorry.
It's looking more & more like the American people and the world should maybe get a chance to find out. I myself am starting to think about it favorably and I certainly didn't start out that way.
A lot of talk about Presidents Clinton & Obama........ but President Bush was fully in charge and in total control with both Houses of Congress at his immediate disposal when the worst terrorist attack ever on American soil took place.
I'm not comforted one little bit by saber rattling Republicans. And 9-11 shows us why no one should be.
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