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No one died as a direct result of these techniques as far as I am aware.



   


I just do not have a problem with subjecting those that orchestrated 9/11 to this kind of thing.  




With what country has it effected the treatment of our captured soldiers?  I would also say there is a different between waterboarding three people and someone like Pol Pot who massacred 1/3 of his country.  I am not sure this really takes away our ability to prosecute people like that.  




Yes, it is not going to go anywhere really, and world opinion has shown to be pretty fickle.  Spain will support us on some issues regards of how they feel about us, and their population will like the United States again eventually, it typically goes in cycles.  

 



Well, in my view, when they are US citizens they are entitled to the protection of the law and constitution no matter how terrible the crime they have committed.  




I think we had Congress and the President becomes the judge and jury.  I am OK with that for people the people that we picked up and put at GTMO.  


I just look back to the example during the Iraq War.  Two marines were kidnapped by insurgents and we had credible intelligence on where they were holding the marines.  Instead of immediately going to get them, we had to have a sit down to ensure that the intelligence collected did not break the FISA laws.  Roughly 12 hours later when it was concluded that it did not, the marines were already dead.  They were buried out at Arlington semi recently.  I don't know how to explain that to their parents.  




They declared the conflict yes, but declaring a conflict is not all that is needed to get Geneva Protections.  The manner in which you fight it is just as important.  




That was a serious problem in the Vietnam War I concede that, just as it is a serious problem in this war.  The difference being if we lose this war, it is the end of the world as we know it.  




Fine is probably not the world, justifiable is probably better.  




I don't mind having a trial, Bush is going to be acquitted if there is one.  The problem I have with the whole thing is that setting up a trial (a real one) is going to rip the country apart and that is the last thing that we need right now in my view.  




I only brought them both up to show policies that I would follow them on, seeing as how it is probably pretty obvious that I am a Republican.  I did not blame Clinton for 9/11 anymore than I blame Bush for 9/11.  9/11 was a collective failure of 60 years if you ask me.


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