Me neither that I know of in American custody. But the potential is still there.
And the underlying point is it physical coercive torture. I've tried to explain why it's wrong best I can. It's like you can't bend a man's arm behind his back and make a restrained harmless prisoner feel like you're going to break it to get a confession... and then say the confession is good and hey we didn't actually break his arm.
You can see that is wrong can't you?
I understand that. I'm saying the crime doesn't affect whether torture is right or wrong. Try them and if appropriate give them the death penalty, I don't care... but you don't torture human beings.
It's a future problem as much or more than an immediate one. We have lost a big chunk of moral high ground and the world is taking note. This is one of the reasons why President Obama was so loved overseas during his campaign... and now.
I have hundreds of friends in England & Canada and I can't express how often they have talked to me about Bush and torture. It's really a topic to them I assure you.
The very fact it's reached this level in their government and court system should tell you something.
Well in my world of mental justification if I wouldn't go along with torturing a know baby rapist killer... I'm not blindly going along with torturing Bin Laden's chauffeur... but that's just me I guess.
Unfortunately we now know President Bush asked people to look for ways around torture rules.
And 12 hours would have most likely made no difference at all. And again the reason you have rules on this is so you don't violate a 1000 or 100,000 or 1,000,000 innocent peoples rights in the name of the one or two times it was accurate and expedient.
Symantics... TORTURE IS ALWAYS WRONG.
That's not what you said Rob. You specifically made the case that this group strapped explosives to kids and that the Viet Cong did not... go back up a post or two and look.
And the rationale was EXACTLY the same. Back then the Conservatives were screaming we would be overrun by Communism every single bit as much... actually much more because Communism had been an issue longer... than radical Islam is now.
It's ALWAYS the end of the world when you want to justify doing anything you want... it has to be or people won't go alone with things that are usually considered as wrong.
Tomato Tamoto.
I think it would "politically" tear the country apart. But I think It would also show we don't allow anyone even our President to act above the law. It's dicey I'll grant you. It's hard to convict a President.
And I don't blame Bush for 9-11. I'm saying to Conservatives shut up about how much safer you make anybody... because you don't.
