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Cheney and Bush would disagree, but I dont like defecit spending either. I could give plenty of examples where hundreds of billions have been literally blown overseas with little to no return, but that is for another thread.


In a small way it does, and collectively it certainly has an effect, it also helps government spend less in the long run.

Lets use for example my own city hall. A relatively small(in comparison to other city halls)building. Built in the 70s, with normal windows and doors, and an antiquated forced air heating system operated by fuel oil. 

When one takes up the task of modernizing and upgrading the heating systems, at the cost of just over a million dollars, we saw a return in energy savings worth $40k a year. All the while putting the project out to bid, creating wealth for the contractor, and letting a private company put private citizens to work. While the contractor purchased materials from another supplier, and ultimately it reduced the burden on the tax payers from the local community.


We could argue all day long without any conclusion on who would do a better job individually and we wont get anywhere. My point being is that unions are much more likely to employ legal American citizens, have the union and contractor standing behind the work being done, and the actual labor force that will be required to get these jobs done in a timely and quality manner.

But if you want to have even more illegal immigrants pouring over the border and taking more jobs from otherwise qualified Americans...that is a divide we wont be able to cross.


yeah like that bridge that worked just fine in Minneapolis, until it collapsed and killed at least half a dozen people? Or the bridge that needs an extra lane because congesion on it is dangerous. Or the bridge near my hometown that will be built as part of this stimulus plan. It will connect a community that is divided by a river, and no bridge exists, I am happy for the folks on the north shore of Aleknagik who will finally be able to drive to work, or to go shopping directly instead of having to transition to a boat and then automobile to do thier daily business.


Comparing China and the USSR with the US is nothing but a red herring.


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