Who To Vote For?

Old_Trapper70

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Since Cruz won in Iowa, and Hillary, and Sanders, are tied, it is beginning to look like this is one election I will have to set out. My principles will not allow me to vote for liars, and cowards, so that leaves out Cruz, and Hillary. I kind of like Sanders since he represents what the Founders stood for, however, a coin toss decided the results of several districts in Iowa, and miraculously Hillary won all of them. Now my only other alternative is to write in "None of the Above", or hope for some third party candidate to show up that I can support.

Anyone else feel the same?
 
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If liars are out you might just as well throw you voter card away. No pol is ever 100% honest.


That is why I am looking for/hoping for, a Third Party candidate. There are still some honest people left out there is they can get the media attention, and the support of the people.

However, I understand that all people lie at one time or another. It is just this current crop, save for possibly Sanders who i do believe is more honest then the rest, will lie, and then send others off to die in needless, and unConstitutional, wars while keeping their cowardly asses close to home.
 
That is why I am looking for/hoping for, a Third Party candidate. There are still some honest people left out there is they can get the media attention, and the support of the people.

However, I understand that all people lie at one time or another. It is just this current crop, save for possibly Sanders who i do believe is more honest then the rest, will lie, and then send others off to die in needless, and unConstitutional, wars while keeping their cowardly asses close to home.
Not too sure 3rd party is more prone to honesty. I suppose it all comes down to individuals.
I don't rule out liars unless the lies are substantive to the position. Otherwise I'd have to pitch my card.
 
I vote for whoever is likely to provide the closest to socialism

Not sure I believe you since pure socialism cannot succeed. This country has always had a balance of capitalism (the laissez-faire kind, not the corporate kind we see today), and that of society taking care of the less fortunate (the social contract of Thomas Paine, or even of Christ). One of the things I like about Sanders is the balance he supports with his Democratic Socialism, not Socialism. There is a difference for those who do not know that.

Something to think about:

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/were-the-founding-fathers-socialists/question-1360877/
 
Since Cruz won in Iowa, and Hillary, and Sanders, are tied, it is beginning to look like this is one election I will have to set out. My principles will not allow me to vote for liars, and cowards, so that leaves out Cruz, and Hillary. I kind of like Sanders since he represents what the Founders stood for, however, a coin toss decided the results of several districts in Iowa, and miraculously Hillary won all of them. Now my only other alternative is to write in "None of the Above", or hope for some third party candidate to show up that I can support.

Anyone else feel the same?


Well I think that Cruz’s and Hillary’s win in Iowa are nothing to be concerned about. This is a marathon not a sprint. There’s still a lot of things that can happened between now and the end of March.

I agree with you, my principles will not allow me to vote for liars, cowards and just outright idiots. In recent times I think the American electorate has become more ignorant than ever in history.
This is because we don’t educate the new generations anymore. Whatever happened to teaching our young children Civics, and American History.
No one gives a dam anymore, everything seems to be media driven.
On election day most people go to vote strictly on emotions. A reaction of what they have seen, read or heard from the liberal or conservative medias.
People don’t sit and discuss the issues and problems facing us today. Folks need to vote for what’s in the best interest of the UNITED States. A vote is not another way to get more for Me, Myself and I, this is not the United States of America. Give me, give me, and Give me more. But I really don’t’ care that the country is going Bankrupt, Government is getting bigger and bigger and more corrupt than ever.
American need to take their voting more serious! If not God Help us all!
 
Well I think that Cruz’s and Hillary’s win in Iowa are nothing to be concerned about. This is a marathon not a sprint. There’s still a lot of things that can happened between now and the end of March.

I agree with you, my principles will not allow me to vote for liars, cowards and just outright idiots. In recent times I think the American electorate has become more ignorant than ever in history.
This is because we don’t educate the new generations anymore. Whatever happened to teaching our young children Civics, and American History.
No one gives a dam anymore, everything seems to be media driven.
On election day most people go to vote strictly on emotions. A reaction of what they have seen, read or heard from the liberal or conservative medias.
People don’t sit and discuss the issues and problems facing us today. Folks need to vote for what’s in the best interest of the UNITED States. A vote is not another way to get more for Me, Myself and I, this is not the United States of America. Give me, give me, and Give me more. But I really don’t’ care that the country is going Bankrupt, Government is getting bigger and bigger and more corrupt than ever.
American need to take their voting more serious! If not God Help us all!
people like having their votes bought. or as the Eagles pointed out, "the lure of easy money has a very strong appeal". not as stupid as you think perhaps ?
 
people like having their votes bought. or as the Eagles pointed out, "the lure of easy money has a very strong appeal". not as stupid as you think perhaps ?


Guess it depends on how you define "stupid". Every tyrant in the history of man has found a way to "buy votes". If one fears "communism", or "socialism", or "fascism", etc., as tjhey claim then selling ones vote is quite "stupid". It also shows a lack of character, integrity, and principles.
 
Guess it depends on how you define "stupid". Every tyrant in the history of man has found a way to "buy votes". If one fears "communism", or "socialism", or "fascism", etc., as tjhey claim then selling ones vote is quite "stupid". It also shows a lack of character, integrity, and principles.
Well when they see that nothing changes based on voting then the highest bidder looks good enough.
 
Old Trapper, your a pretty smart guy. You do realize that if only those truly in need required our help and support. We could handle it with-out a doubt. My heart and my support goes out to those folks.

But this free stuff for all has gotten out of hand, people are rewarded for not participating. I don't have any Quick solution and neither does anyone else. My vote this year will be for whoever the Conservative candidate is, My main reason for this is the next POTUS will pick two maybe three Supreme court Judges. simple really.
 
Old Trapper, your a pretty smart guy. You do realize that if only those truly in need required our help and support. We could handle it with-out a doubt. My heart and my support goes out to those folks.

But this free stuff for all has gotten out of hand, people are rewarded for not participating. I don't have any Quick solution and neither does anyone else. My vote this year will be for whoever the Conservative candidate is, My main reason for this is the next POTUS will pick two maybe three Supreme court Judges. simple really.

There are no conservative candidates. They are either chicken hawk warmongers, or corporatists. Aside from Bernie sanders show me one that is willing to end the welfare to the corporate magnets, the banks, or Wall Street? People such as yourself complain about the 47 million who share some 70 Billion a year, yet never about the 1% that received a trillion dollars a year due to the QE programs for the wealthy. Then there are the tax breaks that allow billionaires, or millionaires, and corporations, to pay no taxes at all.

As to the SCOTUS, how many on the bench are now the liberals you fear, and were appointed by Republicans? Stevens, Kennedy, and Souter, to save you the trouble of looking it up. And even Roberts, and Alito, are not true Conservatives.

All I want is someone who will follow the lead of the Founding Fathers, and like it, or not, so far the closest is Sanders.
 
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Old Trapper, your a pretty smart guy. You do realize that if only those truly in need required our help and support. We could handle it with-out a doubt. My heart and my support goes out to those folks.

But this free stuff for all has gotten out of hand, people are rewarded for not participating. I don't have any Quick solution and neither does anyone else. My vote this year will be for whoever the Conservative candidate is, My main reason for this is the next POTUS will pick two maybe three Supreme court Judges. simple really.
I presume you are referring to welfare. There are a lot of right-wingers who consider that "free stuff". Right-wingers have a rather simplistic view of just who welfare recipients are. These are the facts:

Federal budget & Census data show that with welfare recipients,
53% are over 65 with insufficient retirement income.
20% are disabled.
18% have jobs, but with sub-survival pay.
9% goes to households without jobs but not in the above catagories.

Most of that 9% get health care and unemployment insurance as welfare.
A fraction of that 9% are "welfare queens". Yet the right-wing acts as though they are the majority of recipients.

If you think too much government money goes to welfare, I am not going to argue. But you really need to look at the wider problem of what to do with these people. "Get a job" is the usual "solution" but does not answer the problem since only 9% are without a job when you subtract those who are too old, disabled, or underpaid.

Welfare is seldom a permanent condition. Poverty trends analyst, LaDonna Pavetti:
In an "average" year, about one-half of the AFDC caseload leaves the welfare rolls. The best available estimates indicate that between one-half and two-thirds of those who leave do so because they have found paid employment.
 
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