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The revolutionary war was technically a civil war between Britain and some of her colonies. Doesn't count as an American war, actually the war which lead to the creation of USA.


I got involved in a heated debate on Wikipedia about the 1812 War. Some people were concerned an American website was biased in declaring this conflict a "draw". However, "With stalemate on the battlefields, both nations agreed to a peace that left the prewar boundaries intact." So, at best a draw, mate.


in 1898, Spain was no-longer any kind of military force.


WW1+2, as I said, America didn't get involved until it was forced into it. Unlike Britain, America wasn't defending anything except itself. In WW1, Germany was already on her knees by the time American troops arrived in 1918 - being the straw that broke a camels back is hardly evidence of an "American spirit". In ww2, America was prepared to stand by and watch Britain be destroyed by Nazi Germany without getting involved.


Siege of Kut? What are you saying? That Britain, fighting several powerful countries at once (unlike your war against the solitary weak Spanish) lost a battle, while American soldiers were comfortably tucked up at home?


"And then in Europe, without Patton, most of the country would be speaking German right now."


LOL - Russian, actually. In Europe, the Soviets had destroyed the backbone German army before US troops arrived there. Of course, it would not be in the US's interests to have most of Europe as part of the Soviet Union. But you certainly did not save us from either fate.


The Korean War - a straight forward civil war between armies - ended in stalemate.


Vietnam - "The conflict was a successful effort by the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV or North Vietnam) and the indigenous National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam, (also known as the Việt Cộng, or more informally as the "Charlie", "VC" or "Cong") to unify Vietnam as a communist state, defeating the South Vietnamese Republic of Vietnam (RVN)."


Militarily, America failed to achieve what it set out to when sending troops to Vietnam. It was NOT a stalemate. Failure = loss. To say the US didn't lose the Vietnam war is absurd and shows the delusional state of your thinking.


"It's what the NVA and VC did and its what the insurgents in Iraq are doing today."


You'd think you'd have learned your lesson then. Why are you in Iraq if you see it going the same way as Vietnam? American spirit or utter folly? Surely the latter.


Where was GB in the Cold War - on the side of Reagan, courtesy of Mrs Thatcher. We were involved in many of the same dubious methods as the US, funding groups like the Taliban and dictators like Sadam Hussien to fight our battles for us.


Is this double-dealing the American spirit?


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