Election rigging Democrats continue to 'fight like hell' against popular voting security IDs

pjmret said:

ah, the "voter fraud" you whine about but never prove happens in anything but tiny amounts. lol. and which is done by republicans too.

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pjmret said:

feel free to show the positive "cost benefit analysis" of putting more barriers in front of citizens voting. You morons act like these things are cost free to the public, and they aren't.

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mark francis said:

This article was not about past fraud but continued efforts by crooks to prevent voting security laws from hindering voting fraud in the future. Are you also opposed to publicly popular voting security measures designed to protect the legitimate votes of legitimate voters and to expose and reject the illegitimate votes cast illegitimately?

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mark francis said:

Are you suggesting that keeping voting fraud avenues open is more important than protecting the votes of legitimate voters?

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pjmret said:

i am opposed to anything you can't show has a positive "cost benefit analysis" in terms of reducing fraud vs imposing costs on valid voters.

let me know when you morons have that

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pjmret said:

i am not suggesting anything.

i am clearly stating the value of reducing fraud has to be higher than the cost of more barriers to voting.
its a simple concept

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mark francis said:

You are wrong to dishonestly claim election securities are not worth the cost. President Carter knew the importance of and necessity for voter IDs to restrict opportunities and avenues for election fraud.

The Carter-Baker Commission, 16 Years Later: Absentee and Voting by Mail (bakerinstitute.org)

The Carter-Baker Commission, 16 Years Later: Voting by Mail

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In 2005, former President Jimmy Carter and former U.S. Secretary of State James A. Baker, III, co-chaired the Commission on Federal Election Reform, which produced a report on the U.S. electoral process and recommendations on maximizing ballot access and election integrity.

Sixteen years later, many of the recommendations remain relevant. While the COVID-19 pandemic and record number of voters who cast absentee or mail-in ballots raised concerns about the security of the 2020 absentee process, the Carter-Baker report warned: “Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud.”

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Latest Alleged Election Fraud May Have Changed Election Results (dailysignal.com)

The U.S. Supreme Court said in 2008, when it upheld Indiana’s voter ID law, that “not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election.”

Latest Alleged Election Fraud in California May Have Changed Election Outcome

Hans von Spakovsky / @HvonSpakovsky / August 24, 2021

Felony voter fraud charges have been filed against six defendants, including a member of the Compton City Council, Isaac Galvan, by the Los Angeles County district attorney. Pictured: Galvan appears in Los Angeles Superior Court on Aug. 13. (Photo: Al Seib/Los Angeles Times/Getty Images)
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Hans von Spakovsky@HvonSpakovsky

Hans von Spakovsky is a senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation, a former commissioner on the Federal Election Commission, and former counsel to the assistant attorney general for civil rights at the U.S. Department of Justice. He is a member of the board of the Public Interest Legal Foundation.

The U.S. Supreme Court said in 2008, when it upheld Indiana’s voter ID law, that “not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election.”

It seems we have a perfect example of this in Compton, California, where felony voter fraud charges have been filed against six defendants, including a member of the Compton City Council, Isaac Galvan, by the Los Angeles County district attorney.

Talk about a close election! Galvan won his City Council race in 2021 by only one vote, 855 to 854. Not only have all of the defendants been charged with conspiracy to commit election fraud, but Galvan is also accused of attempting to bribe an election official with concert tickets to “influence” the outcome of the election.

It is important to remember, though, that these are just charges and that all the defendants are presumed to be innocent at this stage of the proceedings.

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pjmret said:

I didn't say they weren't worth the cost, lying moron
I asked you to prove there was value in your proposals

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Opinion | A Clearer Picture on Voter ID (Published 2008)

The Supreme Court has the opportunity to lead the way on the voter ID issue and support laws that make it easy to vote but tough to cheat.

www.nytimes.com

A Clearer Picture on Voter ID​

• Feb. 3, 2008

mark francis said:

Opinion | A Clearer Picture on Voter ID (Published 2008)

The Supreme Court has the opportunity to lead the way on the voter ID issue and support laws that make it easy to vote but tough to cheat.

www.nytimes.com

A Clearer Picture on Voter ID​

By Jimmy Carter and James A. Baker Iii

• Feb. 3, 2008

THIS is a major election year. Unfortunately, our two major political parties Democratic and Republican continue to disagree on some of the rules that apply to the administration of our elections. This divide is perhaps most contentious when the issue becomes one of whether voters should present photo identification to vote.

Twenty-seven states require or request some form of ID to vote. Supporters of this policy argue that if voters identify themselves before voting, election fraud will be reduced. Opponents of an ID requirement fear it will disenfranchise voters, especially the poor, members of minority groups and the elderly, who are less likely than other voters to have suitable identification. The debate is polarized because most of the proponents are Republicans and most of the opponents are Democrats.

In 2005, we led a bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform and concluded that both parties’ concerns were legitimate a free and fair election requires both ballot security and full access to voting. We offered a proposal to bridge the partisan divide by suggesting a uniform voter photo ID, based on the federal Real ID Act of 2005, to be phased in over five years. To help with the transition, states would provide free voter photo ID cards for eligible citizens; mobile units would be sent out to provide the IDs and register voters. (Of the 21 members of the commission, only three dissented on the requirement for an ID.)

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pjmret said:

so again, feel free to prove that anything you support has a positive cost benefit analysis

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mark francis said:

I'm sure you must think officials who recommended voter IDs for election security must not have been as intelligent as you.

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