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Assange At It Again

Discussion in 'World Politics' started by Centrehalf, Sep 27, 2012.

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  1. Dawkinsrocks Well-Known Member

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    Well it started with 9/11

    Then when that was unsustainable it became about WMD

    Then when that became unsustainable it became about regime change

    It was never about ceasefire

    The unprovoked war against Iraq kil,ed a million Iraqi civilians

    George Bush and Tony Blair should be tried for war crimes

    And 11 years on Iraq is not a happy liberated country. It is a wreck

    Well done USA
    Dawkinsrocks, Mar 2, 2013
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  2. Dawkinsrocks Well-Known Member

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    The soldier who passed on the documents to wikileaks is a hero

    Like most of the world he was horrified by the activities of the US military doing stuff like laughing as they murdered an innocent family with heavy machine gun fire from the safety of an apache helicopter gun ship

    Because this is what war is like

    It is not like the fox news Hollywood style war

    And because this brave man has shown the world the proof of what America wishes it could hide they are seeking the extradition of the brave guy who published the documents

    The US loves freedom of speech, provided you don't tell the truth about the US
    Dawkinsrocks, Mar 2, 2013
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  3. steveox Well-Known Member

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    Well he Manning can get the death penalty or life in prison without the possibly of parole under military law
    steveox, Mar 2, 2013
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    No, he is a criminal as he failed to do what he voluntarily agreed to do.

    Aussage was under no such restraint.

    But its easy to see why fringe lefties love ascending to theor ivory towers over this as the concept of honor is meaningless to them.

    But finally you make a valid dtstement, war is an ugly business.
    dogtowner, Mar 2, 2013
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  5. Dawkinsrocks Well-Known Member

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    You obviously think there is honour in brutally murdering civilians and joking while you do it

    Along with all the other war crimes perpetrated by the US military such as using cluster bombs and White phospherous

    You seem to think that revealing this is worse than doing it

    If the soldier revealing truths of this nature was Iraqi and he was talking about Iraq you would be hailing him as a hero

    Because you are brainwashed
    Dawkinsrocks, Mar 4, 2013
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  6. dogtowner Super Moderator

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    if he were iraqi i wouldnt care.

    repeating silly fabrications doesnt make them so.
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    The US soldiers shooting up a family of Iraqis as the try to get into their car whilst laughing is now viewable on the web

    And the use of white phospherous and cluster bombs is on record

    You really hate the truth don't you when it exposes the US for the vile murdering nation that it is?

    Using drones to kill innocent people.

    The US is worse than a suicide bomber
    Dawkinsrocks, Mar 5, 2013
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  8. steveox Well-Known Member

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    Theyre not innocent.Theyre Terrorist same group who killed over 3000 people on 9-11
    steveox, Mar 5, 2013
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  9. Dawkinsrocks Well-Known Member

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    What?

    Iraq is a terrorist group?

    Iraq caused 3000 Americans to die?

    I guess that if you believe stuff like that there is no point discussing anything further with you

    But what is true is that a million Iraqi terrorists, or civilians as they are known on planet earth were killed or maimed by the US led war against this nation that has never attacked the US
    Dawkinsrocks, Mar 6, 2013
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  10. steveox Well-Known Member

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    No...IRAQ had nothing to do with 9-11. Bush wanted invade IRAQ to get saddam because he tried to kill his daddy. Like i said long ago. Theyre should be a law if if an presidental candidates were P.O.W s or victim of terrorism then they cannot run for president. Its like this,,Why you think Sergents and captians of the police force are required to tell the officer whos family been murdered or his wife and daughter were raped to lay their gun and badge on his desk until ther investigation is over? Wanna know why they make the cop take a leave of absence? Cause if he was still on duty and they find the suspect he would kill him out of anger. So presidental candidates cannot run for office if they were P.O.W s or victim of terrorism cause George Bush invaded IRAQ over personal stuff instead of policy.
    steveox, Mar 6, 2013
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  11. dogtowner Super Moderator

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    you recall that iraq invaded kuwait right ?
    you may also recall stormin norman (a tank commander before he became a big shot) devised a tank campaign to force hussein into suing.for a.cession too ?
    you may also recall that hussein never complied with the terms of the ceasefire agreement.

    So you would prefer to let hussein off the hook at great expense by the way ?

    do try and ignore that which is neither true nor relevant. or not...
    dogtowner, Mar 6, 2013
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  12. steveox Well-Known Member

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    But you dont deal take your personal family problems to work with you. You gotta leave it at home.
    steveox, Mar 6, 2013
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  13. Dawkinsrocks Well-Known Member

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    Iraq invaded Kuwait?

    Is Kuwait the US?

    And Iraq paid for that with gulf war one

    Gulf war 2 was a totally unprovoked attack resulting in a million civilian deaths

    The US has treated Iraq worse than SH did

    Bush is a war criminal
    Dawkinsrocks, Mar 9, 2013
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    as any fool knows ziraq did invade Kuwait.
    as any fool knows Kuwait is an ally and such avtions as Iraq did will be responded to.
    as any fool knows if you sue for peace you had best honor your ceasefire oblugations
    inane comments do not = truth irrespective of how often said.
    dogtowner, Mar 10, 2013
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    I Agree BUSH should go to trial in the world court. The U.N didnt approve the U.S to invade IRAQ. It was vetoed by France in the security council.
    steveox, Mar 10, 2013
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    unnecessary as the inspectors stated that hussein failed to provide required documentation of destruction of the wmd the un inspectors reported that he held.

    ignore the smoke and mirrors.
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    Why are people taken extremes. There is no hope of Bush being tried for anything. The allies are now out of Iraq and Iraquies will decide the country's future.
    Assange tried to expose corruption in sereral places including companies and left wing governments. He did not just hack into American sites.
    Aus22, Mar 10, 2013
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  18. steveox Well-Known Member

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    Assange told the people what we needed to know. He told all! He even told the Truth about IRAN was going to develop nuclear weapons and IRAN was going to use it on Israel and on the U.S allies.
    steveox, Mar 11, 2013
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    Aus, Iraq is in a total mess and in the edge of civil war

    Even the tyrant Tony Bliar who also cooked up lies about WMD admits that
    Dawkinsrocks, Mar 11, 2013
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    Goerge Bush's own words..
    The October anthrax attacks intensified the alarmist mood. In the days after October 2, 2001, anthrax-laced letters arrived at the National Enquirer; ABC, NBC and CBS News; and the Senate offices of Majority Leader Tom Daschle. Altogether, 17 people were infected. Five died.
    From the memoirs of George W. Bush, pages 157-158.
    "One of the letters containing anthrax read:
    09-11-01
    YOU CAN NOT STOP US.
    WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX.
    YOU DIE NOW.
    [IMG]
    Advertisement

    ARE YOU AFRAID?
    DEATH TO AMERICA.
    DEATH TO ISRAEL.
    ALLAH IS GREAT.
    I was struck by a sickening thought: Was this the second wave, a biological attack? ... The biggest question during the anthrax attack was where it was coming from. One of the best intelligence services in Europe said it suspected Iraq."
    And now the key line, on page 159: "We believed more attacks were coming, but we didn't know when, where, or from whom. ... As time passed, some critics charged that we inflated the threat or manipulated alert levels for political benefit. They were flat wrong. We took the intelligence seriously ..."
    Bush's account of his decision-making in his Iraq chapter will likely seem stunted to many readers. He offers considerable detail on the milestones toward the decision -- and yet readers will search in vain for the actual moment at which the decision occurred.
    On page 251, he "wasn't ready to move yet." On page 252, "I was deeply disappointed that diplomacy had failed." On page 253, "Military action was my last resort. But I believed it was necessary."
    The how is all there. But a big part of the why is here:
    "I remembered the shattering pain of 9/11, a surprise attack for which we received no warning. This time we had a warning like a blaring siren."
    The U.S. had been accepting risks from Saddam Hussein for more than a decade. Suddenly those risks were now intolerable. And for all the grief and cost of Saddam's removal, that particular risk now threatens the United States no longer.

    Enough said..
    cashmcall, Mar 19, 2013
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