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Conservatives: Eight years of GWB

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by samsara15, Apr 16, 2009.

  1. samsara15

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    and Karl Rove have turned Conservatism into a minority within America. Now you have to either adapt or continue to be a minority. Liberalism did not create the economic mess, it happened on your watch. You had control, for several years. Can you accept responsibility for your failures, and move on, or do you still want to stick with the ideas that failed? It's up to you. :confused:
     
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    the last two years of Bush was run by democrats who had the power in congress and things were ok that first 6 years. It was the last two years that gas prices went out of control, the stock market went down and jobs were lost.

    I will not adapt to what has been offered me, I am happy to be in the minority. Being right is not always popular!
     
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    Obama and the Democrats are not just sticking with Bush's failed economic policies, they are doubling down... Bailouts, stimulus packages, record deficit spending, massive debt to foreign nations, printing money out of thin air, government take overs of industry... You're a socialist, don't you support these failed economic policies?

    Conservatives are Capitalists. We believe in the Free Markets and understand that government creates 2 new problems for every 1 that it attempts to solve. Unlike the Progressives who do nothing but shift blame, conservatives would gladly take responsibility for any of our failures but we haven't been in a position of power for many decades. In that time, Progressive Democrats and Progressive Republicans have been sharing the power but shifting the blame. Conservatives are to Progressives what the Jews were to the Nazi's, scapegoats for fascists who utilize anger, hatred and fear to get and keep power.
     
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    The only one sticking with the failed idea of big government is the current administration.
     
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    Well of the three who have responded so far, none of them are willing to look at the disaster created by Bush and the GOP, but want to take issue with the current administration.

    As someone who has supported Republicans happily in the past, the big reasons I havent supported a GOPer since 2002 has been GWB and the actions of the GOP in Congress. I am not saying the Democrats are superhuman by any means, but I could no longer support thier actions.

    I have said before and will again, that the number #1 person responsible for Obama being elected was Bush. It was the utter distaste for his actions and modus operandi that drove swing voters away from the GOP.
     
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    Obama is not the answer to all problems, and neither are the Democrats in Congress, and some of their policies make liberals unhappy, too. I never expected them to be anything else. That's what we get in a democracy - leaders who represent a variety of causes, usually compromises, most of which make most people unhappy, to varying degrees. What's more, neither liberalism nor conservatvism will solve all problems, either, if either is ever fully implemented, which is unlikely if not impossible.
     
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    Yeah.....the first six were O.K., alright.

    :rolleyes:

     
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    It does not matter why Obama was elected. And we can sit here and blame Bush all we want. How many times do we have to sit here and say yes Bush spent tons of money, and it was bad, but not Obama is spending well over double that amount?

    This blame game garbage only seeks to mask that the current President is spending more money, and running a much larger deficit. If Bush created the disaster, it was his big government style that did it, so why now is the answer even bigger government?
     
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    Not willing to look at the disaster created by Bush? I guess if we're not calling Bush a Nazi, calling for his impeachment and/or demanding he be tried for war crimes that we aren't "really" complaining or otherwise taking issue with his administration.

    I refered to them as "Failed Bush Policies", that's what you guys called them... I agree these big government economic policies are a gigantic failure, but now that Obama is following, and expanding, the same policies... they are "Change" for the better?

    GWB put us on the hook for 12 trillion when he pushed the Medicare part D act...

    I didn't want to go to Iraq but we did... Once we were there I said, "Ok, both parties need to put everything they have into resolving this as quickly as possible." Instead, the Democrats began foot-draggin and sandbaggin, all the while pointing an indignant finger of blame when they themselves had been cheerleaders for the war. Then we have the EMPTY complaints about how much the war costs... and what that would do to our debt....

    Do you have ANY idea how many years of war we would have to fight to reach the 12 trillion we spent on Medicare expansion? More than 70 years...

    The Bush bailouts spent more in one stroke of the pen than we had spent in 7 years of war in two countries.

    Obama came out and said he was taking a "Buck stops here" approach, then once elected that was modified to be, "The Buck Stops Here - But it wasn't my fault." Some day the Bush haters will have to stop pointing the finger and shifting blame for what Obama and the Dems are doing now.

    Bush AND Obama in 6 months time have spent MORE money than the previous 42 presidents combined. The largest spending bill ever to come to a vote on the floor of congress passed without the congressmen so much as READING it!

    If you think the Bush legacy is one of disaster and humiliation, you should be outraged that Obama has picked up where Bush left off and is now sprinting full speed ahead down the same path.
     
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    The statism and big government agenda of GWB, his predecessors and now of P Obama are to blame.

    Conservatism is the answer and the best way for conservatism to be a force again is for the Republican party to realize that it is the party that needs to adapt to conservatism. of course I would be just as happy to vote Democrat if it were them instead that adapted to conservatism.

    I will continue to vote for whichever winning party is most likely to support the ideals of the constitution.
     
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    Um... I would argue that conservatism has always been the minority. You seem to confuse republicans with conservatism. That when all the republicans won in 2000, that we were the majority, and when they lose, we are the minority.

    People that believe in conservatism as a slogan to get elected on have lost. Bush called himself a "Compassionate Conservative". That was a slogan. Not an ideology.

    Conservatism has always been the minority as far as politicians go. Even when Ronald Reagan won his elections with massive land slide victories, the majority of politicians in government thought he was loony. Reagan came to reduce government. Of course politicians know that means less power and control, thus less need for themselves. So they considered Reagan crazy, even has the vast majority of America loved him.

    Conservatism never fails. It didn't during Bush's watch, because it wasn't tried during Bush's watch. If Bush was conservative, then he never would have signed the bailout. Bailout is antithetical to Conservatism. Bush also tried to pass Amnesty. That's against the principals of Conservatism too. Conservatives never reward breaking laws.

    So what the Bush years really show, is that we should elect actual conservatives instead of ones using catchy slogans.

    Moreover, failures should only be accepted by those actually responsible. Conservatives didn't try and pass changes to the General Accounting Rules, in response to Enron. Conservatives didn't try and force sub prime loans using the Community Reinvestment Act. And Conservatives didn't try and give a pass to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac simply because they give massive donation to Democrats.

    So the real question is, can you take responsibility for the failures of your party? Liberalism is like a mental illness. You tend to blame everyone else but yourself for the problems you caused.
     
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