For America's Middle Class, the Hits Just Keep on Coming

[orogenicman]

You said:

"My parents, while being somewhat disinterested in their children and certainly not the best parents in the world"

And then accuse my parents of treating me badly. I don't know what reality you live in, but doesn't appear to be the reality most people live in. Now, since you didn't answer my question, I'll ask it again:

Are you saying that poor people must remain poor because your parents were selfish? Because that appears to be what you are saying. Perhaps you could clarify this issue for us, eh?

 

[steveox]

all i can say is this ,,, BLAME BUSH!!!

 

[GenSeneca]

"Life is not FAIR. Get over it and quit complaining."

Everybody knows life isn't fair... The problem is that there are some among us who believe that if only government had unlimited power over our lives that it could make life "fair" for everyone.

 

[orogenicman]

Everybody knows life isn't fair... The problem is that there are some among us who believe that if only government had unlimited power over our lives that it could make life "fair" for everyone.

I'm sure there are some who believe that. I'm also certain that there are also those who believe that if only corporate America was given carte blanche to do whatever they want that they could make our lives "fair" for everyone. The problem is that corporate America is largely the problem with this country. Blame Bush? Well, he certainly has a lot to answer for, doesn't he? But so does Wallstreet.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

I'll take that reply as your way of admitting that raising taxes on the rich will in no way benefit the middle class or reduce their suffering during down economic times.

Since raising their taxes will not help the middle class, calls for raising their taxes can only be done out of malice.

This would be a good place for that quote about how Socialism is the equal sharing of misery.

Steve, out of morbid curiosity, what percentage of ones income would you consider a "fair share"?

Does that make capitalism the dumping of it on the bottom so the top can be happy then?

 

[BigRob]

Never even insinuated that. Why did you?

You insinuated it when you brought it up.

And how did they "earn it"? With government subsidies, and incentives; hiring cheap labor from overseas, or using illegal immigrants; through fraud in the H1B, L1, etc. visa programs; cutting the wages of American workers, or firing them; cutting benefits to American workers; etc.

"Rich" people don't work now? That is pretty amusing. Also, it seems to according to you all you have to do is hire a few illegals and you can create a booming business to get rich. Give me a break.

Question still remains, are they losing their homes?

No, they are not, because they live within their means.

Only to go to another job. However, in the meantime they have put away enough to last them the rest of their lives. They surely are not in the unemployment line.

What is your definition of "rich" exactly? And why does it matter if someone was prudent and saved money? They should not be punished for that.

Savings in banks for the poor, and the working poor, have been at their lowest point in any time in history. Most people have a debit card which lasts about 1 month. They did not gain near as much as the wealthy, if any.

However, if you want to think they benefitted from the bailout, then so be it.

How about I say the bank bailout saved the financial system, which saved business, which saved jobs, which saved access to "debit cards"...

If you want to go that route, it can easily be argued that everyone benefited.

 

[orogenicman]

Yeah, if only everyone else could live within "the means" with which the rich live. I could give it a try. Wanna sponsor me?

 

[Gipper]

You said:

"My parents, while being somewhat disinterested in their children and certainly not the best parents in the world"

And then accuse my parents of treating me badly. I don't know what reality you live in, but doesn't appear to be the reality most people live in. Now, since you didn't answer my question, I'll ask it again:

Are you saying that poor people must remain poor because your parents were selfish? Because that appears to be what you are saying. Perhaps you could clarify this issue for us, eh?

Well you proved my point. We really can't communicate with each other due to our "differences."

I never said my parents treated me badly, but you apparently misconstrued my comments to mean this.

Then you claim my parents want the poor to remain poor. How in the world did you get that misconception? Well I can guess, but that would not be FAIR.

But, you sure are cute in this pic...

 

[BigRob]

Yeah, if only everyone else could live within "the means" with which the rich live.

They earned the money, why can't they spend it?

I could give it a try. Wanna sponsor me?

No, but apparently you want the government to.

 

[OldTrapper]

They earned the money, why can't they spend it?

Question was, how did they earn it?

By hiring illegals? Importing cheap labor from overseas, then firing American workers? Outsourcing the manufacturing of their product? Government welfare called "incentives", or "subsidies", or even "bailouts"?

Just how did they "earn it"?

No, but apparently you want the government to.

So, it is only acceptable to you when the government gives welfare to the corporations. OK.

 

[orogenicman]

They earned the money, why can't they spend it?



No, but apparently you want the government to.

Do you honestly believe there is a CEO alive who deserves a 100 million dollar a year paycheck? Do you honestly believe that there AREN'T people who are indigent and unable to care for themselves?

 

[Gipper]

Do you honestly believe there is a CEO alive who deserves a 100 million dollar a year paycheck? Do you honestly believe that there AREN'T people who are indigent and unable to care for themselves?

Well we might be able to agree on CEO pay. Well, maybe partially. Here goes...

Most conservatives agree that CEO pay is out of control. So, we can agree on that.

Now, you libs want the government (as always) to either take most of the CEO's income in taxes or limit their pay. Conservatives argue that CEO pay is none of the governments business. CEO's salaries are determined by the Board of Directors. They are private corporations and should be allowed to do as they wish.

Many Fortune 100 companies do a lot of business with the Federal government. Why do the Feds not demand they limit CEO pay? - easy answer...

Now, I for one, am disgusted with the outrageous CEO salaries and try to avoid investing in firms who pay their CEO's way too much.

A great book that was a national best seller for years - "Good to Great" - discussed this issue. The author found that the most successful CEOs were those who were not paid like professional athletes.

 

[BigRob]

Question was, how did they earn it?

By hiring illegals? Importing cheap labor from overseas, then firing American workers? Outsourcing the manufacturing of their product? Government welfare called "incentives", or "subsidies", or even "bailouts"?

Just how did they "earn it"?

Do you have some evidence to back up this continued assertion that all "rich" people earn their money in this fashion? If not, your point is moot.

Additionally, maybe someone running a small business did hire an illegal alien, so what? Does that means the owner did not work in creating the business and furthering its growth? It is not the responsibility of business owners to enforce border laws, that is the responsibility of the federal government.

So, it is only acceptable to you when the government gives welfare to the corporations. OK.

Since I openly opposed TARP and any form of government bailouts... I find it quite amusing that you accuse me of such a platform.

Perhaps you misinterpreted my posts about TARP benefiting us all, that was simply a point to mock the concept that TARP solely benefited the "rich."

 

[orogenicman]

"They are private corporations and should be allowed to do as they wish."

Right. As I recall, it was a private business that was allowed to do as it wished that caused the largest oil spil in U.S. history in the Gulf of Mexico. If you think that corporations and their highly overpaid CEOs have the best interests of the American people in mind when they "do as they wish", I've got a bridge I will sell you for a song and dance.

 

[orogenicman]

"Additionally, maybe someone running a small business did hire an illegal alien, so what? Does that means the owner did not work in creating the business and furthering its growth?"

It means that every business must obey the law just like everyone else. And if they don't, they should receive the full penalty of law just like everyone else.