Israeli forces shot their own civilians, kibbutz survivor says

[Stalin]

As expected, the official WarParty, Israeli Chapter, narrative starts to fall apart as the the hostages are released.

"...The Electronic Intifada is now able to publish the entire interview with Yasmin Porat, the Kibbutz Be’eri survivor who told Israeli radio that Israeli security forces “undoubtedly” killed a large number of their own civilians following the Hamas assault on 7 October.

...
In the full-length interview, Porat states that the Palestinian fighters – who she says treated her and the other Israeli civilians “humanely” – intended to “kidnap us to Gaza. Not to murder us.”

She adds that “after we were there for two hours with the abductors, the police arrive. A gun battle takes place that our police started.”


It is clear Palestinian militants were hiding in these buildings with their Israeli captives as Israeli soldiers were blasting their way in with massive tank shells in close quarters. It deserves to be investigated who caused most of the death and destruction that took place. This is especially important as these deaths are now being used to justify the destruction of Gaza and the killing of thousands of civilians there.

A growing number of reports indicate Israeli forces responsible for Israeli civilian and military deaths following October 7 attack

Many details of what transpired on October 7 continue to be shrouded in mystery, including how the 1,400 Israelis who died were killed. A growing number of reports indicate the Israeli military was responsible for civilian and military deaths.

mondoweiss.net

Comrade Stalin
Donbass

 

[mark francis]

As expected, the official WarParty, Israeli Chapter, narrative starts to fall apart as the the hostages are released.

"...The Electronic Intifada is now able to publish the entire interview with Yasmin Porat, the Kibbutz Be’eri survivor who told Israeli radio that Israeli security forces “undoubtedly” killed a large number of their own civilians following the Hamas assault on 7 October.

...
In the full-length interview, Porat states that the Palestinian fighters – who she says treated her and the other Israeli civilians “humanely” – intended to “kidnap us to Gaza. Not to murder us.”

She adds that “after we were there for two hours with the abductors, the police arrive. A gun battle takes place that our police started.”


It is clear Palestinian militants were hiding in these buildings with their Israeli captives as Israeli soldiers were blasting their way in with massive tank shells in close quarters. It deserves to be investigated who caused most of the death and destruction that took place. This is especially important as these deaths are now being used to justify the destruction of Gaza and the killing of thousands of civilians there.

A growing number of reports indicate Israeli forces responsible for Israeli civilian and military deaths following October 7 attack

Many details of what transpired on October 7 continue to be shrouded in mystery, including how the 1,400 Israelis who died were killed. A growing number of reports indicate the Israeli military was responsible for civilian and military deaths.

mondoweiss.net

Comrade Stalin
Donbass

Dummies around the world stupidly believe Israel's existence is justification for the Hamas butchering of women and babies.

 

[Stalin]

As expected, no comment on what the witness said.

Obviously Israeli civilians are far more valuable than Palestinian ones.

Comrade Stalin

 

[mark francis]

As expected, no comment on what the witness said.

Obviously Israeli civilians are far more valuable than Palestinian ones.

Comrade Stalin

Wrong. Justice is to be preferred over injustice.

 

[Stalin]

this conflict is not new..let us take a trip down memory lane debating Apartheid Israel's warcrime and atrocity

Warsaw Ghetto Redux

This is the closest historical parallel that I can think of to the current atrocity in Gaza. These activities are nothing new, having been perpetrated many times since 1947. Of course like Warsaw, journalists from the "West"are not witnesses. With the Shoah now a distant memory for a...

www.houseofpolitics.com

Comrade Stalin

 

[Stalin]

more testimony..

it seems that our gallant lads in the IDF are responsible for much of the damage and carnage on Oct 9

you will not find this in the zionist controlled "mass media"

".. Several new testimonies by Israeli witnesses to the October 7 Hamas surprise attack on southern Israel adds to growing evidence that the Israeli military killed its own citizens as they fought to neutralize Palestinian gunmen.

Tuval Escapa, a member of the security team for Kibbutz Be’eri, set up a hotline to coordinate between kibbutz residents and the Israeli army. He told the Israeli newspaper Haaretz that as desperation began to set in, “the commanders in the field made difficult decisions – including shelling houses on their occupants in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages.”

A separate report published in Haaretz noted that the Israeli military was “compelled to request an aerial strike” against its own facility inside the Erez Crossing to Gaza “in order to repulse the terrorists” who had seized control. That base was filled with Israeli Civil Administration officers and soldiers at the time.

These reports indicate that orders came down from the military’s high command to attack homes and and other areas inside Israel, even at the cost of many Israeli lives.

An Israeli woman named Yasmin Porat confirmed in an interview with Israel Radio that the military “undoubtedly” killed numerous Israeli noncombatants during gun battles with Hamas militants on October 7. “They eliminated everyone, including the hostages,” she stated, referring to Israeli special forces.

As David Sheen and Ali Abunimah reported in Electronic Intifada, Porat described “very, very heavy crossfire” and Israeli tank shelling, which led to many casualties among Israelis.

While being held by the Hamas gunmen, Porat recalled, “They did not abuse us. We were treated very humanely… No one treated us violently.”

She added, “The objective was to kidnap us to Gaza, not to murder us.”

According to Haaretz, the army was only able to restore control over Be’eri after admittedly “shelling” the homes of Israelis who had been taken captive. “The price was terrible: at least 112 Be’eri residents were killed,” the paper chronicled. “Others were kidnapped. Yesterday, 11 days after the massacre, the bodies of a mother and her son were discovered in one of the destroyed houses. It is believed that more bodies are still lying in the rubble.”

October 7 testimonies reveal Israel’s military ‘shelling’ Israeli citizens with tanks, missiles - The Grayzone

Israel's military received orders to shell Israeli homes and even their own bases as they were overwhelmed by Hamas militants on October 7. How many Israeli citizens said to have been "burned alive" were actually killed by friendly fire? Several new testimonies by Israeli witnesses to the...

thegrayzone.com

Comrade Stalin

 

[mark francis]

this conflict is not new..let us take a trip down memory lane debating Apartheid Israel's warcrime and atrocity

Warsaw Ghetto Redux

This is the closest historical parallel that I can think of to the current atrocity in Gaza. These activities are nothing new, having been perpetrated many times since 1947. Of course like Warsaw, journalists from the "West"are not witnesses. With the Shoah now a distant memory for a...

www.houseofpolitics.com

Comrade Stalin

Memory lane:

Anti-Jewish Violence in Pre-State Palestine/1929 Massacres | CAMERA



...In Jerusalem the Government published a refutation of the rumors that the dead Jews of Hebron had been tortured before they had their throats slit. This made me rush back to that city accompanied by two medical men, Dr. Dantziger and Dr. Ticho. I intended to gather up the severed sexual organs and the cut-off women’s breasts we had seen lying scattered over the floor and in the beds. But when we came to Hebron a telephone call from Jerusalem had ordered our access barred to the Slonim house. [Van Passen, Pierre, Days of Our Years, Hillman-Curl, Inc., New York 1939]

In total, sixty-seven Jews were killed and 60 were wounded. The Jewish community in Hebron was destroyed. ...

 

[mark francis]

more testimony..

it seems that our gallant lads in the IDF are responsible for much of the damage and carnage on Oct 9

you will not find this in the zionist controlled "mass media"

".. Several new testimonies by Israeli witnesses to the October 7 Hamas surprise attack on southern Israel adds to growing evidence that the Israeli military killed its own citizens as they fought to neutralize Palestinian gunmen.

Tuval Escapa, a member of the security team for Kibbutz Be’eri, set up a hotline to coordinate between kibbutz residents and the Israeli army. He told the Israeli newspaper Haaretz that as desperation began to set in, “the commanders in the field made difficult decisions – including shelling houses on their occupants in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages.”

A separate report published in Haaretz noted that the Israeli military was “compelled to request an aerial strike” against its own facility inside the Erez Crossing to Gaza “in order to repulse the terrorists” who had seized control. That base was filled with Israeli Civil Administration officers and soldiers at the time.

These reports indicate that orders came down from the military’s high command to attack homes and and other areas inside Israel, even at the cost of many Israeli lives.

An Israeli woman named Yasmin Porat confirmed in an interview with Israel Radio that the military “undoubtedly” killed numerous Israeli noncombatants during gun battles with Hamas militants on October 7. “They eliminated everyone, including the hostages,” she stated, referring to Israeli special forces.

As David Sheen and Ali Abunimah reported in Electronic Intifada, Porat described “very, very heavy crossfire” and Israeli tank shelling, which led to many casualties among Israelis.

While being held by the Hamas gunmen, Porat recalled, “They did not abuse us. We were treated very humanely… No one treated us violently.”

She added, “The objective was to kidnap us to Gaza, not to murder us.”

According to Haaretz, the army was only able to restore control over Be’eri after admittedly “shelling” the homes of Israelis who had been taken captive. “The price was terrible: at least 112 Be’eri residents were killed,” the paper chronicled. “Others were kidnapped. Yesterday, 11 days after the massacre, the bodies of a mother and her son were discovered in one of the destroyed houses. It is believed that more bodies are still lying in the rubble.”

October 7 testimonies reveal Israel’s military ‘shelling’ Israeli citizens with tanks, missiles - The Grayzone

Israel's military received orders to shell Israeli homes and even their own bases as they were overwhelmed by Hamas militants on October 7. How many Israeli citizens said to have been "burned alive" were actually killed by friendly fire? Several new testimonies by Israeli witnesses to the...

thegrayzone.com

Comrade Stalin

It seems the mass murderers are also wicked propagandist liars.

 

[Yo Daddy!!]

As expected, no comment on what the witness said.

Obviously Israeli civilians are far more valuable than Palestinian ones.

Comrade Stalin

Palestinians usually pose a threat to Jews just because they are obedient Muslims.

Deny it.

 

[Yo Daddy!!]

Memory lane:

Anti-Jewish Violence in Pre-State Palestine/1929 Massacres | CAMERA


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...In Jerusalem the Government published a refutation of the rumors that the dead Jews of Hebron had been tortured before they had their throats slit. This made me rush back to that city accompanied by two medical men, Dr. Dantziger and Dr. Ticho. I intended to gather up the severed sexual organs and the cut-off women’s breasts we had seen lying scattered over the floor and in the beds. But when we came to Hebron a telephone call from Jerusalem had ordered our access barred to the Slonim house. [Van Passen, Pierre, Days of Our Years, Hillman-Curl, Inc., New York 1939]

In total, sixty-seven Jews were killed and 60 were wounded. The Jewish community in Hebron was destroyed. ...

I upvoted being informed of this tragic incident from the past.

 

[Boris Norris]

As expected, the official WarParty, Israeli Chapter, narrative starts to fall apart as the the hostages are released.

"...The Electronic Intifada is now able to publish the entire interview with Yasmin Porat, the Kibbutz Be’eri survivor who told Israeli radio that Israeli security forces “undoubtedly” killed a large number of their own civilians following the Hamas assault on 7 October.

...
In the full-length interview, Porat states that the Palestinian fighters – who she says treated her and the other Israeli civilians “humanely” – intended to “kidnap us to Gaza. Not to murder us.”

She adds that “after we were there for two hours with the abductors, the police arrive. A gun battle takes place that our police started.”


It is clear Palestinian militants were hiding in these buildings with their Israeli captives as Israeli soldiers were blasting their way in with massive tank shells in close quarters. It deserves to be investigated who caused most of the death and destruction that took place. This is especially important as these deaths are now being used to justify the destruction of Gaza and the killing of thousands of civilians there.

A growing number of reports indicate Israeli forces responsible for Israeli civilian and military deaths following October 7 attack

Many details of what transpired on October 7 continue to be shrouded in mystery, including how the 1,400 Israelis who died were killed. A growing number of reports indicate the Israeli military was responsible for civilian and military deaths.

mondoweiss.net

Comrade Stalin
Donbass

Why are you supporting known terrorists?

 

[Stalin]

This is a classic example of a loaded question that has been used relentlessly by supporters of WarParty
atrocity and warcrime.

Loaded question - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The word "terrorist" has replaced the old term "communist" as a simple way for lazy thinkers to embrace the WarParty narrative chapter and verse.

FACT : The biggest "terrorist" bodies in the world are the United States Armed Forces, with their cowardly craven political hacks
pushing them into killing women and children, followed closely by the IDF, ridiculously called "the most moral army in the world".

One of the only good things to come out of this mess, is the total demolition of this myth, with the IDF bombing
hospitals and other health, churches, mosques, schools..anywhere where the IDF have declared "safe areas".

No comrade, I do not support violence, or war, or government lies; of which in this conflict, there is plenty.

Comrade Stalin

 

[Stalin]

Notice how the topic, namely the fact that the Israeli military completely bungled their response to the
border action, shelling villages and killing women and children, has been ignored.

Anyone who has had anything to do with military matters, knows that screw-ups are par for the course.

The object of the exercise was to secure hostages to trade for thousands of Palestinians held, usually without trial, in prisons
of the "only democracy in the middle east"..a joke if ever their was one.

Comrade Stalin
Syria

 

[Stalin]

The obnoxious pro-Israeli website camera.org is exhaustively documented in this website.

Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

..have a good read..you will be surprise at the gall of this body...

A campaign like this needs a lot of money..

I wonder who is paying the bills.

Comrade Stalin

 

[mark francis]

This is a classic example of a loaded question that has been used relentlessly by supporters of WarParty
atrocity and warcrime.

Loaded question - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The word "terrorist" has replaced the old term "communist" as a simple way for lazy thinkers to embrace the WarParty narrative chapter and verse.

FACT : The biggest "terrorist" bodies in the world are the United States Armed Forces, with their cowardly craven political hacks
pushing them into killing women and children, followed closely by the IDF, ridiculously called "the most moral army in the world".

One of the only good things to come out of this mess, is the total demolition of this myth, with the IDF bombing
hospitals and other health, churches, mosques, schools..anywhere where the IDF have declared "safe areas".

No comrade, I do not support violence, or war, or government lies; of which in this conflict, there is plenty.

Comrade Stalin

Merrick Garland and the Democrat mob have replaced the words "PTA mom" with "terrorist." But that is because the Democrat mob is stupid and biased against Christian women.