Krugman: Obama Liquidates Himself

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A spending freeze? That’s the brilliant response of the Obama team to their first serious political setback?

It’s appalling on every level.

It’s bad economics, depressing demand when the economy is still suffering from mass unemployment. Jonathan Zasloff writes that Obama seems to have decided to fire Tim Geithner and replace him with “the rotting corpse of Andrew Mellon” (Mellon was Herbert Hoover’s Treasury Secretary, who according to Hoover told him to “liquidate the workers, liquidate the farmers, purge the rottenness”.)

It’s bad long-run fiscal policy, shifting attention away from the essential need to reform health care and focusing on small change instead.

And it’s a betrayal of everything Obama’s supporters thought they were working for. Just like that, Obama has embraced and validated the Republican world-view — and more specifically, he has embraced the policy ideas of the man he defeated in 2008. A correspondent writes, “I feel like an idiot for supporting this guy.”

Now, I still cling to a fantasy: maybe, just possibly, Obama is going to tie his spending freeze to something that would actually help the economy, like an employment tax credit. (No, trivial tax breaks don’t count). There has, however, been no hint of anything like that in the reports so far. Right now, this looks like pure disaster.


http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/26/obama-liquidates-himself/?

And, in true Republican style, defense spending will be exempt from this proposed spending freeze.

Democrat (?) Obama continues to govern like a Republican lite..
 
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Obama is the great token. When are you going to understand that he only cares about being the first black president, and wouldn't know how to find his way out of a paper bag even with written instructions. You could have done better. You could have picked a black man with experience, a non racist for a wife and a loyalty to America. But you didn't. Suck it up. Or, maybe you could actually come out of the little "Black Box" that you are living in and look to international policies and programs that are actually setting the pace for the future world, which includes America.

Obama's life story: He was born a poor black child, somewhere, became senator because of Jerry Ryan's mouth, served 28 days in Congress, became president and won the Nobel Peace prize. Token.

Must really piss him off to have to listen to Chinese.....Lol.
 
Obama is the great token. When are you going to understand that he only cares about being the first black president, and wouldn't know how to find his way out of a paper bag even with written instructions. You could have done better. You could have picked a black man with experience, a non racist for a wife and a loyalty to America. But you didn't. Suck it up. Or, maybe you could actually come out of the little "Black Box" that you are living in and look to international policies and programs that are actually setting the pace for the future world, which includes America.

Obama's life story: He was born a poor black child, somewhere, became senator because of Jerry Ryan's mouth, served 28 days in Congress, became president and won the Nobel Peace prize. Token.

Must really piss him off to have to listen to Chinese.....Lol.

You can turnoff Rush now..

Actually, when I look around, I see 2 tokens...Michael Steele and Clarence Thomas..
 
You libs seem to be the ones obessed with Rush. I don't listen to talk radio. I seek out the facts, and weigh both sides. You as usual, just "name drop" people you don't like. It's called childhood, a condition that libs never grow out of.

The lib mantra: I want to spend my money on what I want, and have everyone else pay for what I need.
 
WOW ! Again with the racial stuff ! Twice in one day !
Excuse me Dogtowner...for clarity Popeye didn't bring the word 'TOKEN' into this discussion
Post #2 bododie said: Obama is the great token.
Popeye Said: You can turnoff Rush now..

Actually, when I look around, I see 2 tokens...Michael Steele and Clarence Thomas..
While I've never heard our President doing any imitation of a rap artist...I can say that I've heard Michael Steele acting all 'JIGGY-with-it' and it was really appalling that he thought he could get his point across while doing that...GOOD GRIEF! MLK - spinning in his grave:rolleyes:
 
Excuse me Dogtowner...for clarity Popeye didn't bring the word 'TOKEN' into this discussion


While I've never heard our President doing any imitation of a rap artist...I can say that I've heard Michael Steele acting all 'JIGGY-with-it' and it was really appalling that he thought he could get his point across while doing that...GOOD GRIEF! MLK - spinning in his grave:rolleyes:


I just find it interesting about the racial undertone that seems to be floating just under the surface here. Wow.

Are you as appalled when Obama goes gospel ?
 
I just find it interesting about the racial undertone that seems to be floating just under the surface here. Wow.

Are you as appalled when Obama goes gospel ?

Actually, I've clearly stated that there are a couple of posters around here that have stated some very, very racial slurs against our president and they know of whom I speak. But it just saddens me that we have to have these type of discussion about anything to do with our President...but while he's held to a different bar the ever humours Minority Speaker Michael Steele seems to be quite the 'snappy rapper wanna-be' and gets a free ride by his own party for his antics!
 
Senate rejects task force to tackle deficit

Vote comes hours after new estimate of $1.35 trillion deficit for 2010

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updated 1 hour, 26 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The Senate Tuesday rejected a plan backed by President Barack Obama to create a bipartisan task force to tackle the federal deficit this year despite glaring new figures showing the enormity of the red-ink threat.
The special deficit panel would have attempted to produce a plan combining tax cuts and spending curbs that would have been voted on after the midterm elections. The measure went down because anti-tax Republicans joined with Democrats who were wary of being railroaded into cutting Social Security and Medicare.
The Senate vote to kill the deficit task force came just hours after the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted a $1.35 trillion deficit for this year as the economy continues to slowly recover from the recession.
"Yet another indication that Congress is more concerned with the next election than the next generation," said Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., a sponsor of the plan.

The budget deficits facing Obama and Congress are large and intractable, and the CBO prediction for 2010 is roughly equal to last year's record $1.4 trillion ocean of red ink. That means the government is borrowing to cover 40 percent of the cost of its programs.

The report predicts a sluggish economic recovery and continued high unemployment — which presages big political problems for President Barack Obama and his Democratic allies heading into the midterm elections.

The report sees unemployment averaging 10.1 percent this year as the economy grows by just over 2 percent. It would grow only slightly more next year with an unemployment rate of 9.5 percent.

"CBO expects that the pace of economic recovery will be slow," said agency chief Douglas Elmendorf.

The latest estimates also project that the deficit will drop to $980 billion next year and $480 billion in five years — but only if a host of tax cuts enacted under President George W. Bush are allowed to expire. Most budget experts see deficits nearing or exceeding $1 trillion each year over the next decade once tax cuts and other policies are factored in.

It's a sobering reminder of the fundamental imbalance of the federal government's budget that comes just days before Obama's Feb. 1 budget submission. The White House says Obama will propose a three-year freeze on domestic agency budgets, though the savings would barely make a dent. It hasn't said whether Obama will proposes tax hikes or cuts to spiraling benefit programs such as Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

The 2010 deficit figure is in line with previous estimates and would be less, marginally, than last year's $1.4 trillion shortfall. But plans afoot on Capitol Hill for a new jobs bill and a coming Obama request for war funds would add to the total.
The spending freeze, expected to be proposed by Obama during the State of the Union address on Wednesday, would apply to a relatively small portion of the federal budget, affecting a $477 billion pot of money available for domestic agencies whose budgets are approved by Congress each year. Some of those agencies could get increases, others would have to face cuts; such programs got an almost 10 percent increase this year. The federal budget total was $3.5 trillion.
The freeze on so-called discretionary programs would have only a modest impact on the deficit. The steps needed to really tackle such huge deficits include tax increases and curbs on benefit programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

That was the idea behind the Obama-backed plan to pass a law to create a special task force to come up with a plan to curb the spiraling budget deficit. Now, Obama may create a weaker version by a presidential order. But unlike the plan rejected Tuesday, there's no way to force a Senate vote.

Supporters actually garnered 53 votes for the plan co-sponsored by Gregg and Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D. But 60 votes were required under special floor rules. Thirty-six Democrats and independent Joe Lieberman of Connecticut voted for the plan as did 16 Republicans.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35077901/ns/politics/

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So I am confused Popeye...why aren't you for a spending freeze, that our President has suggested...it's not like freezing everything straight across the board. I would think that setting this as a guideline for the impending budget discussion would be an enhancement...those budgets wouldn't have to submit any paper work for the budget committee to have to review...they won't be getting any budget cuts but it will just save everyone time and paper work to not have to have a budget submitted for next year: attach a single page referencing the last years allotment and then they can move right along to the other area and line items that need to have cut backs!

In my area the local cities/counties/school districts/state agencies are all doing exactly that...why shouldn't our Federal Budgets be treated any differently?
 
Senate rejects task force to tackle deficit

Vote comes hours after new estimate of $1.35 trillion deficit for 2010

APTRANS.gif

updated 1 hour, 26 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The Senate Tuesday rejected a plan backed by President Barack Obama to create a bipartisan task force to tackle the federal deficit this year despite glaring new figures showing the enormity of the red-ink threat.
The special deficit panel would have attempted to produce a plan combining tax cuts and spending curbs that would have been voted on after the midterm elections. The measure went down because anti-tax Republicans joined with Democrats who were wary of being railroaded into cutting Social Security and Medicare.
The Senate vote to kill the deficit task force came just hours after the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted a $1.35 trillion deficit for this year as the economy continues to slowly recover from the recession.
"Yet another indication that Congress is more concerned with the next election than the next generation," said Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., a sponsor of the plan.

The budget deficits facing Obama and Congress are large and intractable, and the CBO prediction for 2010 is roughly equal to last year's record $1.4 trillion ocean of red ink. That means the government is borrowing to cover 40 percent of the cost of its programs.

The report predicts a sluggish economic recovery and continued high unemployment — which presages big political problems for President Barack Obama and his Democratic allies heading into the midterm elections.

The report sees unemployment averaging 10.1 percent this year as the economy grows by just over 2 percent. It would grow only slightly more next year with an unemployment rate of 9.5 percent.

"CBO expects that the pace of economic recovery will be slow," said agency chief Douglas Elmendorf.

The latest estimates also project that the deficit will drop to $980 billion next year and $480 billion in five years — but only if a host of tax cuts enacted under President George W. Bush are allowed to expire. Most budget experts see deficits nearing or exceeding $1 trillion each year over the next decade once tax cuts and other policies are factored in.

It's a sobering reminder of the fundamental imbalance of the federal government's budget that comes just days before Obama's Feb. 1 budget submission. The White House says Obama will propose a three-year freeze on domestic agency budgets, though the savings would barely make a dent. It hasn't said whether Obama will proposes tax hikes or cuts to spiraling benefit programs such as Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

The 2010 deficit figure is in line with previous estimates and would be less, marginally, than last year's $1.4 trillion shortfall. But plans afoot on Capitol Hill for a new jobs bill and a coming Obama request for war funds would add to the total.
The spending freeze, expected to be proposed by Obama during the State of the Union address on Wednesday, would apply to a relatively small portion of the federal budget, affecting a $477 billion pot of money available for domestic agencies whose budgets are approved by Congress each year. Some of those agencies could get increases, others would have to face cuts; such programs got an almost 10 percent increase this year. The federal budget total was $3.5 trillion.
The freeze on so-called discretionary programs would have only a modest impact on the deficit. The steps needed to really tackle such huge deficits include tax increases and curbs on benefit programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

That was the idea behind the Obama-backed plan to pass a law to create a special task force to come up with a plan to curb the spiraling budget deficit. Now, Obama may create a weaker version by a presidential order. But unlike the plan rejected Tuesday, there's no way to force a Senate vote.

Supporters actually garnered 53 votes for the plan co-sponsored by Gregg and Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D. But 60 votes were required under special floor rules. Thirty-six Democrats and independent Joe Lieberman of Connecticut voted for the plan as did 16 Republicans.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35077901/ns/politics/

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So I am confused Popeye...why aren't you for a spending freeze, that our President has suggested...it's not like freezing everything straight across the board. I would think that setting this as a guideline for the impending budget discussion would be an enhancement...those budgets wouldn't have to submit any paper work for the budget committee to have to review...they won't be getting any budget cuts but it will just save everyone time and paper work to not have to have a budget submitted for next year: attach a single page referencing the last years allotment and then they can move right along to the other area and line items that need to have cut backs!

In my area the local cities/counties/school districts/state agencies are all doing exactly that...why shouldn't our Federal Budgets be treated any differently?

ANY GROUP with a PURPOSE to REDUCE OUR FEDERAL BUDGET as per OBAMA must be a TREMENDOUS JOKE and /or LIE!! OBAMA , THE BIGGEST BUDGET BUSTER EVER and IN JUST TWELVE MONTHS!! GET SERIOUS , GET ANOTHER PRESIDENT WHO CARES!!---"ALWAYS" - 1-26-10
 
Actually, I've clearly stated that there are a couple of posters around here that have stated some very, very racial slurs against our president and they know of whom I speak. But it just saddens me that we have to have these type of discussion about anything to do with our President...but while he's held to a different bar the ever humours Minority Speaker Michael Steele seems to be quite the 'snappy rapper wanna-be' and gets a free ride by his own party for his antics!


I dont care how anyone talks. Sort of a free speech thang.
 
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I dont care how anyone talks. Sort of a free speech thang.
Well, maybe I shouldn't be so sensitive about the President...but it sures seems such a huge step backwards and brings out the eternal small mindedness in some that they can't argue his 'F'ups but they can define the man because of his race or color of his skin!
{{shrugs my shoulders}}
 
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