Oil Spill

I like how threw all of this, the idea that Private company can F up and destroy whole sections of our Econ, and Environment...never ever reaches you

You are not a good listener. BP is responsible and should pay dearly. I stated this early in the thread. But, they are not the only ones responsible.

Our out sized government which you love not only failed but holds much responsibility for the spill. The omnipresent government regulators of energy were sleeping with Big Oil and taking huge bribes. It was bad during dip**** W's reign of sh*t and even worse during the Messiah's reign of terror.

Read the Rolling Stone article and if you still think big government is the answer for all societies ills, you have a mental problem.
 
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You are not a good listener. BP is responsible and should pay dearly. I stated this early in the thread. But, they are not the only ones responsible.

Our out sized government which you love not only failed but holds much responsibility for the spill. The omnipresent government regulators of energy were sleeping with Big Oil and taking huge bribes. It was bad during dip**** W's reign of sh*t and even worse during the Messiah's reign of terror.

Read the Rolling Stone article and if you still think big government is the answer for all societies ills, you have a mental problem.

What you mean without the government babysitting the company, they can't make sure the Freaking well does not blow up?

Gipper thinking...

The government is at fault for not doing enough
Way to fix problem
Less government less funding

BP is at fault...but not that much, after all its governments job to make sure they do there job. And in a free market...ummm well they will not...but no government....but ummm yea its there fault for not doing what I say they should not be doing.....

Logic Fail
 
Just a thought: Perhaps BP is reluctant to fully divulge cutting edge technology while under the microscopic eye of an administration unwilling to keep in confidence certain information which could be advantageous to its competitors.

It would be horrible if one Day Exxon found out how to not also have a well blow up and leak oil for months ....
 
It seems Elizabeth Birnbaum, who was head of the Minerals Management Service when BP was given a permit to drill this particular well, has just resigned.

She resigned "on her own volition" , of course, totally unrelated to the disaster in the gulf.

Of course.

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What you mean without the government babysitting the company, they can't make sure the Freaking well does not blow up?

Gipper thinking...

The government is at fault for not doing enough
Way to fix problem
Less government less funding

BP is at fault...but not that much, after all its governments job to make sure they do there job. And in a free market...ummm well they will not...but no government....but ummm yea its there fault for not doing what I say they should not be doing.....

Logic Fail

Wrong again pocketpool.

You want government to take over all aspects of our lives. Government bureaucrats should control all industries says old pocketrocket. Well...they do when it comes to off-shore drilling and look what happened. They failed as they always do. Now do they deserve some of the blame or not?

A huge federal government that employs millions, spends trillions, and regulates all is what we now have under DF liberalism. And it never works.
 
Wrong again pocketpool.

You want government to take over all aspects of our lives. Government bureaucrats should control all industries says old pocketrocket. Well...they do when it comes to off-shore drilling and look what happened. They failed as they always do. Now do they deserve some of the blame or not?

A huge federal government that employs millions, spends trillions, and regulates all is what we now have under DF liberalism. And it never works.

im sorry you forgot to respond to the question...
 
What you mean without the government babysitting the company, they can't make sure the Freaking well does not blow up?

And the answer is...

Government's role is to oversee the operations of oil drilling and many other dangerous industries. It usually fails at this role, much like it did here even though American's pay trillions of dollars for government to perform this role. But, in capitalism the capitalist's desire to be cost effective and profitable is the objective. Generally, one does not risk their entire company by failing to implement proper safety procedures. You see it is all about self interest which makes capitalism far superior to your beloved socialism. Now in the case of BP they did cut corners and failed to properly operate that rig while government regulators were getting laid by BP paid for hookers.

When rogue firms fail to abide by the rules, the role of government is to expose them, fine them heavily, and shut them down if necessary. This protects the citizens from negligent firms causing terrible damage. Government failed in this role and now many citizens and the environment are terribly impacted. Government shares much of the blame for BP's spill, but you being a socialist can't see that.
 
Big Government's man-made disaster in Louisiana
Examiner Editorial
June 14, 2010

As soon as it became clear the explosion had created a spill capable of pouring thousands of barrels of raw crude in to the Gulf, foreign governments began offering aid to the United States. (Dave Martin/AP)

Residents of the Bayou State may be forgiven for wondering what they've done to deserve this: Just in the past five years, they've been slammed by four of the worst natural disasters ever recorded, including Hurricanes Katrina, Ike, Gustav and Rita. Now with the Gulf oil spill at BP's Deepwater Horizon drilling platform 53 miles off the state's coast, Washington politicians and bureaucrats are inflicting a man-made disaster of epic proportions on them. The degree of official mismanagement seen so far in the 54 days since the platform exploded, killing 11 workers, is truly mind-boggling.

As soon as it became clear the explosion had created a spill capable of pouring thousands of barrels of raw crude into the Gulf, foreign governments began offering aid to the United States. Three days after the explosion, the Netherlands offered to send ships capable of skimming oil off the water and submitted a plan to begin building sand dikes to protect the many environmentally fragile marshes along the Gulf Coast. "The embassy got a nice letter from the administration that said, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' " Geert Visser, consul general for the Netherlands in Houston, told the Houston Chronicle. Only now, seven weeks and millions of spilled barrels of crude later, Washington has finally emergency airlifted four of the booms from the Netherlands to be fitted to U.S. vessels.

As for the sand dikes, which Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal has been begging Washington for weeks for permission to build, the bureaucrats finally approved construction of a tiny portion of the total requested. But taking advantage of the Netherlands' vast experience in building such devices is difficult because of the Jones Act, a protectionist U.S. law that requires all goods transported by water between domestic ports to use U.S.-owned, -flagged and -built ships with U.S. crews. The law was waived by the Bush administration during Katrina, but it is still in force, preventing Dutch ships from entering U.S. coastal waters and precluding Dutch contractors, who have vast experience building dikes, from displacing U.S. dredging firms that don't. One of the Dutch companies has a plan to erect 60 miles of dikes on the Louisiana coast within three weeks. Washington had that plan in hand for nearly two months before acting on it last week.

Devastating hurricanes like Katrina are unpreventable natural events. But man-made catastrophes created by Big Government's bureaucratic incompetence, regulatory inefficiency and political infighting don't have to occur. How much more damage has to be inflicted on the people, economy and environment of Louisiana before Washington gets the message?

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...ster-in-Louisiana-96259014.html#ixzz0qqXEojbi

And what do libs say is the answer to the oil spill? More big government. Crazy...
 
Government's role is to oversee the operations of oil drilling and many other dangerous industries. It usually fails at this role, much like it did here even though American's pay trillions of dollars for government to perform this role..
Where were your complaints during the Cheney administration when the worst corruption in government per this situation was going on?

It's funny how when the GObP makes the mess, they seek to blame unidentifiable "acts of God or government". They know it would be too much of a stretch to expect their sheep even to absorb that the dems were responsible. So now it's just "government" [read: the current administration]

Nice spin there Gipper. You shills must be typing your little fingers blue these days..lol..

Meanwhile, I think that other big oil rigs and frankly anyone with a boat they'd like to dedicate the hull to [now that fishing is out for decades] should have a water pump on board pumping that crude into their hull to take to a waiting tanker and get paid by the gallon/concentraion of crude oil. Other large oil companies should be out with supertanker skimming round the clock to not only keep the oil from killing animals and the ecosystem, reaching beaches etc. but to RECOVER some of this strategic resource to use as we bridge over to green energy...and fast...

Nobody wants to talk about it, but that oil reserve was our last bet. Too bad we didn't research it long enough to really use it. Now's its slipping away.
 
Where were your complaints during the Cheney administration when the worst corruption in government per this situation was going on?

It's funny how when the GObP makes the mess, they seek to blame unidentifiable "acts of God or government". They know it would be too much of a stretch to expect their sheep even to absorb that the dems were responsible. So now it's just "government" [read: the current administration]

Nice spin there Gipper. You shills must be typing your little fingers blue these days..lol..

Meanwhile, I think that other big oil rigs and frankly anyone with a boat they'd like to dedicate the hull to [now that fishing is out for decades] should have a water pump on board pumping that crude into their hull to take to a waiting tanker and get paid by the gallon/concentraion of crude oil. Other large oil companies should be out with supertanker skimming round the clock to not only keep the oil from killing animals and the ecosystem, reaching beaches etc. but to RECOVER some of this strategic resource to use as we bridge over to green energy...and fast...

Nobody wants to talk about it, but that oil reserve was our last bet. Too bad we didn't research it long enough to really use it. Now's its slipping away.

Why is it, I wonder, that no one is recovering that spilled oil to sell to the refineries? There has been talk of dumping it in landfills. Isn't it still a valuable resource? Thirty thousand or sixty thousand or however many barrels a day you believe are going into the gulf represent a lot of money.
 
Yes, they can extract oil from shale but not seawater apparently..

I'm not buying it. I think the resource should be looked at for harvesting off the ocean surface instead of pumping it up from underground. Why not?
 
Where were your complaints during the Cheney administration when the worst corruption in government per this situation was going on?

It's funny how when the GObP makes the mess, they seek to blame unidentifiable "acts of God or government". They know it would be too much of a stretch to expect their sheep even to absorb that the dems were responsible. So now it's just "government" [read: the current administration]

Nice spin there Gipper. You shills must be typing your little fingers blue these days..lol..

Meanwhile, I think that other big oil rigs and frankly anyone with a boat they'd like to dedicate the hull to [now that fishing is out for decades] should have a water pump on board pumping that crude into their hull to take to a waiting tanker and get paid by the gallon/concentraion of crude oil. Other large oil companies should be out with supertanker skimming round the clock to not only keep the oil from killing animals and the ecosystem, reaching beaches etc. but to RECOVER some of this strategic resource to use as we bridge over to green energy...and fast...

Nobody wants to talk about it, but that oil reserve was our last bet. Too bad we didn't research it long enough to really use it. Now's its slipping away.

Well you too do not pay attention. I am not a republican and I have been very critical of the Progressive Bush and his Progressive administration many times. Secondly, if you had read the Rolling Stone article I posted in the first post you would know that W's administration deserves much of the blame too for the oil spill. But you see, you are stuck in Ds good Rs bad mentality.

Both SUCK! Because both are progressive, liberal, and statist. I am about individual freedom, capitalism, and abiding by the Constitution as it was intended by the Founders. None of which the current and prior administrations have concerned themselves with.
 
Capitalism is fine as long as it isn't malignant. Our founding fathers had capitalistic outlooks coupled with morality for their fellow men. It is immoral to profit obscenely from good fortune and hard work while your neighbor dies in poverty hobbling with a cane from an accident and bad luck.

What is lacking in malignant capitalism is a concern for others. The best [and smartest] capitalists gave back freely to the social structure that supported their good fortunes. You have to look far and wide to find that kind of voluntary generosity. This isn't the same as giving to escape taxes or to promote your business. Those are not moral stances, but ones centered in greed.

Capitalism with morality is beautiful. Capitalism without it breeds the bastard child of contempt called communism. Communism wouldn't exist for long along side moral capitalism. The resentment of the downtrodden just isn't strong enough to ask for communism under those conditions..
 
Capitalism is fine as long as it isn't malignant. Our founding fathers had capitalistic outlooks coupled with morality for their fellow men. It is immoral to profit obscenely from good fortune and hard work while your neighbor dies in poverty hobbling with a cane from an accident and bad luck.

What is lacking in malignant capitalism is a concern for others. The best [and smartest] capitalists gave back freely to the social structure that supported their good fortunes. You have to look far and wide to find that kind of voluntary generosity. This isn't the same as giving to escape taxes or to promote your business. Those are not moral stances, but ones centered in greed.

Capitalism with morality is beautiful. Capitalism without it breeds the bastard child of contempt called communism. Communism wouldn't exist for long along side moral capitalism. The resentment of the downtrodden just isn't strong enough to ask for communism under those conditions..


Are you trying to assert that the American form of capitalism is not moral and heartless? If so, you could not be more wrong.

Americans are the most giving and helpful people that ever existed on this planet. And why? Because most of us are Christians and we firmly believe in helping our fellow man as Jesus instructed us to do. And, we are most thankful for the wonderful things God, freedom, and capitalism have given us.

Where did you come up with "malignant capitalism?" I have never heard this term and if by it, you mean BAD capitalism, it does not and never has applied to the USA. It does apply to leftists you are leeches on our capitalist system. And it is well know that many very rich leftists give almost nothing to charity.
 
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That's what you were taught in school. Take off your rose-colored glasses and look around. That ain't what's out there today.

I operate in the land of real life where malignant capitalism and hoarding rule the day..
 
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