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Should Canada and the U.S. tolerate an intolerant Islam?

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Gnostic Christian Bishop, Nov 17, 2015.

  1. Gnostic Christian Bishop

    Gnostic Christian Bishop Well-Known Member

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    Should Canada and the U.S. tolerate an intolerant Islam?


    I have linked below to a debate in Britain on Islam and their view of intolerance and as to whether the West should reciprocate in kind and not tolerate Islam and their ideology.


    I also have linked to two speakers who look a bit deeper at the Western situation facing Canada the U.S. as well as other Western countries. I have intentionally ignored the French situation as well as what is happening in the Netherlands as I want to speak primarily to the ideology and not the violence of Islam.











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    Do unto others as you would like done unto you, or some alternative of this reciprocity rule, is a recognized moral tenet that most moral theologies and philosophies follow.


    Islam, in most of its forms, is thought by most to be homophobic and misogynous. At its worse, it will kill Muslim women just for not wearing a proper head and or face covering. The Hebdo murders also show how far they will go to prevent freedom of speech and expression.


    If the West, including Canada and the U.S., continues to allow Muslim immigration we will also have to live in fear of having Islam attack us if we happen to offend their religious sensitivities by speech or expression.


    Do we really want the type of future that they are presently suffering east of the Atlantic?


    Should we close our borders to Islam before we have to suffer Islamic fundamentalist, extremists and even moderate who will attack our political systems so as to implement Sharia?


    If we look at some Islamic countries, we see that they have basically banned Western ideology. Should we do unto Islam what they are doing unto us and ban their ideology in our Western countries?


    Regards

    DL
     
  2. jbbarn

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    1.Americans who happen to be Muslim have a right, under our Constitution to be Muslim.
    2.Said Americans do NOT have the right to impose their ideologies on fellow Americans who are non-muslims, by way of Sharia law, or wearing whatever they want in their workplace, etc.
    3.We should NOT allow any foreign Muslims into the U.S.! We simply don't know who's "radical," and who isn't. In any case, Islam doesn't assimilate with other cultures. Therefore, it has no place in a country whose motto is, E Pluribus Unum.
     
  3. Gnostic Christian Bishop

    Gnostic Christian Bishop Well-Known Member

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    No one has a right to oppress another American even if married to her, Muslim or not.

    The first duty of a free person is to insure that all share in that freedom, especially Muslim women and young girls. If all of us are not free then none of us are.

    "First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

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    DL
     
  4. jbbarn

    jbbarn Well-Known Member

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    I don't even begin to see how this relates to my post at all. I certainly agree with the Pastor. That's why I think America should be a Muslim free zone! Since we can't accomplish that, they should be forced to assimilate, or get out.
     
  5. Reddie

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    Intolerant Islam shouldn't be tolerated except only in countries where almost everyone is a Muslim but even there it's because the people have no choice but to live as their Sharia laws demand. The media has created an image which they want everyone to believe is the true depiction of the average Muslim. They've made everyone believe all Muslims are fundamentalists who hate everyone who isn't a Muslim. People who wouldn't hesitate to kill "infidels."

    While I must admit Islam can be intolerant fact is most moderate Muslims are just "regular" folks who don't allow religion to control every aspect of their lives.

    IMHO it's the media that's responsible for promoting Islamophobia which makes it easier for terrorists to recruit young people who feel they've been betrayed.
     
  6. Gnostic Christian Bishop

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    No argument. I hope we can make it so.

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    DL
     
  7. Gnostic Christian Bishop

    Gnostic Christian Bishop Well-Known Member

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    The problem is that --- "fact is most moderate Muslims are just "regular" folks", --- there are too few moderate Muslims to make a difference.

    And we cannot tell the moderate from a fundamentalist jihadist fool.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    It's not the moderate Muslims that are planning terrost plots against the west. They're not the ones that we should be afraid of, sadly, we have no way of knowing the difference, despite what the authorities say.
     
  9. Gnostic Christian Bishop

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    Exactly why I take such a hard line.

    I see it better to protect what is best even if it means denying some good people along with the evil ones.

    I see no better way at present times.

    Regards
    DL
     
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  10. pwarbi

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    I think it's the only line TO take at the moment and while people might say that it's against this constitution or that one. It's an oppression and against this or that religion, will these people be saying the same if the borders are left open to all, and the Golden Gate bridge is the next target killing thousands of Americans?

    People need to take drastic measures to stop drastic actions.
     
  11. Gnostic Christian Bishop

    Gnostic Christian Bishop Well-Known Member

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    I do not usually agree with the right wing of politics but do so in this case.

    I like change as I see it as progress and generally vote liberal. In this case, I will vote conservative to try to protect our decent ideology.

    Regards
    DL
     
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    Here is the problem that is being ignored by all including the insane Trump. For over 30 years the politicians have ignored the reality of Jihadist training camps within the US borders. Under Bush hundreds, if not thousands, of Muslims came across our Southern border using false passports obtained in El Salvador, and other countries. So we now have Jihadist training camps, Hezbollah, Hamas, and some al Queda, within our borders. Add to this the unfettered access that terrorists have to our social media such as FaceBook, and you can see why the "solution" presented by Trump is insane. We don't have any idea of who is here, what they plan, or what we can do to stop it.
     
  13. Gnostic Christian Bishop

    Gnostic Christian Bishop Well-Known Member

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    So Trump, --- righting a 30 year old mistake, --- is to call Trump insane.

    Hmmm.

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    DL
     
  14. pwarbi

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    I'm also not usually as right wing as this proposal is, but something does need to be done. While I'm sure that there are already thousands of terrorists already in the US, this will at least stop any more coming in officially.

    There will always be a certain amount of illegal immigrants but at least if this does happen the US won't be welcoming them in with open arms like your doing at the moment.
     
  15. Gnostic Christian Bishop

    Gnostic Christian Bishop Well-Known Member

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    I do not think their are thousands of terrorists in the whole West but do agree that whatever the number is, is too much.

    Islam needs reform and to let them know that they are not welcome without it is the way to go.

    Regards
    DL
     
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