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The price of global US democracy

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by witnesstheday, Jul 23, 2008.

  1. witnesstheday

    witnesstheday New Member

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    I think this is a brilliant idea:

    http://www.politicsdebate.co.uk/politics33.html
     
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    Libsmasher New Member

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    This is absurd - the Iraqis have a democratically elected government, with the US still there just hunting down the bandits and child killers.
     
  3. UShadItComing

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    Good one witness! I had to check your link to see if it wasn't from the Onion and cleverly disguised. But I was more interested in the comments by Americans and there were none there yet.

    In a way the Iraqi people are getting to cast a vote because of their obvious support for the Obama agenda. This trip is most likely going to drop McCain futher in the polls. I can't imagine why it's even still close except for the fact that many Americans don't like black men.
     
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    GenSeneca Well-Known Member

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    Isn't that nice... If we don't accept Socialism, because its a Black man pushing it, Were not rejecting Socialism - Were racists.

    If you were a man I'd be offended by your statements.
     
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    Now that's how I like to hear Americans cutting through the bull****!

    Would you take the time to explain to me how you see Obama as a socialist? From a Canadian POV it's a little confusing because we seem to be further left on the political spectrum than Americans, yet we don't view ourselves as socialists. We are a democracy which practices capitalism with very acceptable social platforms we consider necessary and responsible government policy.

    I would love to explore the racism angle further too if you care to do that. I find it rather curious that Obama is being rejected in certain regions of your country where the charge of racism is more commonly pursued. I would also have to say that I have rubbed elbows with quite a few Americans from the deep south and I can say with certainty that racist attitudes do still exist to some extent. How much I can't say exactly. What do you think?
     
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    Nah... I'll try your tactic when I asked you to explain your comments about American and Nazi Germany and make this suggestion: You lay out all the reasons why he's not a socialist and I'll pick it apart to show you where your wrong.

    I think its moot. You cannot pass laws to make people think a particular way, only to keep them from acting in a particular way.

    Whites are pretty evenly split for support of Obama, nearly 50/50.

    Blacks, 90% support Obama....

    Hispanics, 70% support Obama....

    Now to look at those numbers and say WHITES are the racists takes a special kinda logic.
     
  7. UShadItComing

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    I think you're learning something new today on my introduction thread. I have that in my pocket so we'll leave it at that for now.

    And where did you say you live in the US? Or have you not said?
     
  8. GenSeneca

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    quid pro quo...

    Do you still contend its the Whites that are choosing a candidate based on skin color?
     
  9. UShadItComing

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    Did I ever? Please, I don't credit you with my ideas and you shouldn't do it for me. I did however suggest that it could be a problem for some whites not being able to vote for a black man. Your comments re: skin colour on my introduction thread did nothing to help to dispel that notion.
     
  10. PLC1

    PLC1 Moderator Staff Member

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    To allow any foreign nation to vote in our elections is absurd. Are we to vote in Canadian or Mexican elections because events in those nations affect us here in the US? How about we decide who the rulers of Russia are to be, since we have an interest in that country as well?

    Or, why not just have one single government, a world government that rules everyone? Yeah, that's the ticket, sure.

    One vote that the Iraqis should have is a referendum on whether or not the American military should stay in their country. It is, after all, their country. If they do really have a democratically governed nation, then the voice of the people needs to be heard.

    Is the US an occupying force that the people want gone? If so, we should go.

    Is it a necessary protector of Iraqi sovereignty? If so, then we should stay. It is, after all, in the interests of both nations that Iraq be a stable and sovereign power. The last thing that either nation wants to see is an Iranian takeover.
     
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    OWNED!! :D HAHAHA HA!!! :D Excellent!!! :p

    Reminds me of the scene in Casablanca where a slimey criminal says to Bogart's character: "You despise me, don't you?"

    Bogart: "If I gave you any thought, I probably would." :p
     
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    Many people who openly said that were West Virginia democrats in the primary season. Also, much of this firestorm began during the democratic primary and the Republicans had nothing to do with it.

    When it comes down to it in November however, I predict many of these people walk the party line still and vote democrat. White republicans who were never going to vote for Obama anyway because he is a democrat can not fairly be classified as "white people who will not vote for Obama based on skin color."
     
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    It would be a difficult charge to prove Rob but in any case I will remain convinced that there are many whites in the deep south who could never bring themselves to vote for a black man. Eventually poll results will expose racist tendencies and there's no way that will be covered up if it indeed does exist.

    In fact I'll go so far as to say that from this Canadian POV I see Fox News as using a tactic of displaying the worst of African American lifestyles in what appears to be a concerted effort to show blacks as a lower caste. Their extreme bias against Obama is giving that a purpose in my view.

    Do you see that too?
     
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    I think that racism is a two way street. Voting against someone because he is black and voting for someone simply because he is black are both racist. I think polling shows that Obama has white votes something like 45/55 or 50/50, pretty even, but African-Americans are voting for Obama something like 85-95%.

    I personally have had many conversations with people who tell me that they feel compelled to vote for Obama simply because he is black. That is the same in my mind as if someone tells they are voting for McCain because Obama is black. Both of them are morons in opinion.

    I do not see what you are talking about with Fox News, can you show me an example to see? The most recent thing that I saw was on CNN, which did some specials called "Black America."

    I am not sure that either network is trying to portray any race as a sub-class, the majority of black people and the majority of white people live and work side by side and are successful.
     
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