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To where do your loyalties and agendas lie?

Discussion in 'Polls' started by Justinian, May 24, 2007.

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So how About it?

  1. Totalitarian

    9.1%
  2. Fascist

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Paleocon

    13.6%
  4. Neocon (or Old-school Democrat)

    4.5%
  5. Libertarian

    22.7%
  6. Liberal

    36.4%
  7. Socialist

    4.5%
  8. Bio equality liberal (animal rights, enviro)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Anti-National NWO hopeful

    4.5%
  10. Communist

    4.5%
  1. Justinian

    Justinian Well-Known Member

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    No. Perhaps you don't...

    Paleoconservatism (sometimes shortened to paleo or paleocon when the context is clear) is an anti-communist and anti-authoritarian[1] right wing movement based primarily in the United States that stresses tradition, civil society and classical federalism, along with familial, religious, regional, national and Western identity.[2] Chilton Williamson, Jr. describes paleoconservatism as "the expression of rootedness: a sense of place and of history, a sense of self derived from forebears, kin, and culture — an identity that is both collective and personal.”[3] Paleoconservativism is not expressed as an ideology and its adherents do not necessarily subscribe to any one party line.[4]

    Paleoconservatives in the 21st century often focus on their points of disagreement with neoconservatives, especially on issues like immigration, affirmative action, foreign wars, and welfare.[2] They also criticize social democracy, which some refer to as the therapeutic managerial state,[5] the welfare-warfare state[6] or polite totalitarianism.[7] They see themselves as the legitimate heir to the American conservative tradition.[8]
    Paul Gottfried (and possibly Andrew F. Seabrook as well) is credited with coining the term in the late 20th century.[9] He says the word originally referred to various Americans, such as traditionalist Catholics and agrarian Southerners, who turned to anticommunism during the Cold War.[10] It then began referring to the conservative opposition to neoconservatism.

    No, that's exactly what I am.
     
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    Segep Well-Known Member

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    I was torn between liberal and socialist. I thought maybe choosing socialist might rile a couple people, though.....:D
     
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    lipmonkey Well-Known Member

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    I would have chosen none of the above because I'm not loyal to any party or their agenda. I vote across party lines for whoever best represents my views, though I have yet to find any politician or party I'm in total agreement with.
     
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    Justinian Well-Known Member

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    Liberalism, a very new idea in mainstream politics is the intellectual-formula and underclass-sympathy driven agenda to the hopeful destruction of society, moreover the world as we know it.
     
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    Cause you know, "the world as we know it" is such a dandy place, I want to keep everything exactly like it was in the Middle Ages. Why wouldn't anyone want that?
     
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    Justinian Well-Known Member

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    Why do you want to keep things as they were in the middle ages?
     
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    USMC the Almighty Well-Known Member

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    Anyone who choses socialist doesn't so much have a political disagreement with me, but a disagreement over life philosophies.
     
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    Justinian Well-Known Member

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    Liberalism has merely cleared a field in which every soul and every corporate interest may fight with every other for domination (enslavement). Whoever is victorious in this struggle will make an end of liberalism; and the new order, which will deem itself saved, will have to defend itself in the following age against a new crop of rebels. Concluding, modern liberalism is not a lifestyle or ideology of a society but the actual systematic undoing of society which by nature cannot withstand the threat of new ideologies rising to dominance. Of course Liberals, socialists, intellectuals know this which requires them to tap into an infinite stream of foreigners to liberalize the populaces ideology spectrum. It is imperative for the liberal ideology's survival.
     
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    9sublime Well-Known Member

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    Systematic undoing is not another term for the word change, I think your thesauras isn't very good.
     
  10. Justinian

    Justinian Well-Known Member

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    What are you talking about? The idea that Liberalism is the idea and advocation of change is a phony myth. Liberalism in another world once professed to advocate liberty but is now a movement for control over property, trade, work, amusements, education, religion and even marriage. Liberalism is also not an advocate of liberty today but most obviously a counterpart of forced control. Liberals, becoming an advocate of the tyranny of the state in every field, offers to us as an apology his intention of freeing the people. And freeing the people from what, you ask? Freeing the people from the very consequences of freedom. There is almost nothing rightly in the hands of power to change without the liberal exercise of public intelligence and freedom of intelligence given to them with gratious stern confidence by their ancestors before them. The Perceptive reformer combines an ability to reform with a disposition to preserve; the man who loves change is wholly disqualified , from his lust, to be the agent of change.
     
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    9sublime Well-Known Member

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    That just simply doesn't make sense. It's like you've put it through an online translator or something, because I hope you don't honestly think thats true. A person who wants change, actualy want to preserve, and so cannot change anything even though he wants to? Its arse, plain and simple.

    Nice words once again, your thesaurus is doing you proud. No real substance under there, just one or two points that could have been compressed into hard hitting points rather than you just testiculating.
     
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    qalam Well-Known Member

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    Liberalism had its beginings in the 17th century with Hobbes and Locke. Liberalism also makes reciprocal tolerance a virtue. Individuals must be allowed to worship how they wish, have their own political opinions, and be tolerant of others with views different from their own.
     
  13. USMC the Almighty

    USMC the Almighty Well-Known Member

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    You're speaking historically. The term "liberal" in referennce to Locke, or Hobbes, or Jefferson doesn't even come close to describing modern day "liberals". In fact, they are the exact opposite of liberal for they advocate bigger government, and thus, by definition, less indiviudal sovereignty.

    The ironic thing is that Thomas Jefferson, the great Liberal, created the "governs least governs best" philosophy that conservatism is based.
     
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    Thomas Jefferson is surely a liberatarian then, rather than a liberal?
     
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    USMC the Almighty Well-Known Member

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    He's a "Classical Liberal".
     
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