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Why do people have so much faith in Government?

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by chestnut, Mar 5, 2009.

  1. chestnut

    chestnut New Member

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    Can anyone think of a succesful government program that worked. I can't think of any.

    So why should we trust them with trillions and trillions and trillions?
     
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    Pandora Well-Known Member

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    I think its because they were taught growing up by liberals in k-12 then in college

    what to think, not how to think
     
  3. chestnut

    chestnut New Member

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    I'm so glad my parents taught me about working hard to be successful.
    I remember how bad times were and me and my dad worked at night after my dad's day job collecting trash at the mall. then on the weekends we would paint houses in the neighborhood.

    Those kinds of values should be taught to everyone. Working hard for what you want is how you get what you want.

    Teaching people to depend on the govt is teaching them not to believe in themselves.

    Will it always be easy to work hard.. no, but it will build character and make people value what they have and give them pride.

    Has anyone ever noticed in public housing why it is so dirty? they have no pride. No self worth. Most of them don't work, so why not keep it clean.

    When you get stuff for free you don't have anything vested so you don't take care of it.

    I had friends in school that were given a new car for 16th bday. They usually trashed it within the 1st year. Why? They didn't work for it. It came easy.


    America needs to get back to the days where people work hard for what they want and get rewarded for doing so.
     
  4. HankHill

    HankHill New Member

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    We have no choice.

    Sure we can elect different people, and they may be good and just to begin with, until greed and corruption seep into their veins.
     
  5. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

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    The socialist idiots view, is that it only didn't work because the people involved were flawed. For example, when I was in Social Studies class way way back in high school, we watched a video supporting socialism. In the video they described how it was only because of Stalin that socialism failed. He he hadn't killed all those people, and made all those Gulags, socialism would have been a success for sure.

    Similarly, the reason the military is wasteful, is somehow due to Bush being in charge. If Obama had been there, none of that money would have been wasted. All the military personel would have said "Oh wait! We can't blow this money, Obama is in office!".

    Or when Katrina blew through, FEMA would have said "We have to be efficient and helpful now! A democrat is in control!"

    This is how it works with socialist. Instead of seeing failure for what it is, they simply blame someone, and assume it 'would have worked' if only someone else had been in charge.

    It's just like how people blame the government price controlled energy crisis during Carter, as being due to the Oil Embargo that actually happened 4 years prior under Nixon.

    In short, Socialist are like 5-year-olds running around blaming everyone else for all their mistakes.
     
  6. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    ".....a succesful government program that worked."​

    Whatta fine, well-thought-out choice of words. It's too-difficult to decide whether you're some school-kid, or a (typical) developmentally-arrested Dead-O-Head. :rolleyes:

    Ya' might want to consult with someone (totally) reliant on Social Security, as a retirement-plan....or, someone who was a particiapant, in The National Guard, when Integration had to be forced (in this Country)....about successful government-programs.
     
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    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    Another magnificent-effort at sentence-structure!!

    :rolleyes:

    As-far-as "...what to think, not how to think..." goes.....you can probably give credit to your family's own, personal-cleric for that accomplishment.
     
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    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    A little anti-Dumbya-style class-warfare!!

    I like it! You're learning (and, didn't even know it)!!!!
     
  9. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    "...way way back in high school...", huh?

    Are you gettin' "...way way..." close to finishing High School....yet?

    :rolleyes:
     
  10. palerider

    palerider Well-Known Member

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    You believe social security is a successful government retiremement plan? 1% retirement on a lifetime of contributions? You just keep getting dumber every day don't you?

    There are quite a few localities who opted out of social security a long time ago and their employees direct their own retirement plans. The vast majority of those employees get a raise upon thier retirement because even in an economic climate like today's, they are doing a hell of a lot better than a 1% return on their investment. In addition, they can pass the money they have saved along to their children upon thier deaths.

    If you are looking for a successful government program, you are going to have to look a lot further than social security.
     
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    palerider Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I can think of one. Just one, but it would be a fine model for the rest. The Vietnam era GI Bill. It was one of the most sucessful government programs ever devised for a some very specific reasons.

    First, you had to be willing to work to even get in. Second, there were strings, serious strings attached to it. If you accepted money you were expected to meet certain requirements. That is, you were expected to carry a minimum number of credit hours to qualify for full time, half time, part time, etc. Secondly, you were expected to perform. If you didn't maintain a minimunm GPA, you got cut off and you couldn't simply drop a class in order to avoid a bad grade. If you dropped, you were expected to pay the money back and they WOULD get their money back. If you got too many bad grades, you could expect the school to boot you out.

    The success rate for the Vietnam GI bill was far and away higher than any other government program that ever existed. More than 8 million GIs got degrees or trade diplomas via that program and when you consider the limited number of people who even had access, much less used it, the success rate was phenomenal.
     
  12. chestnut

    chestnut New Member

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    So you believe social security works. People pay in way more than they ever will get back. Why do so many seniors on social security have to get jobs at Wal-mart and Mcdonalds. Ever stop to wonder?

    Because it was never designed to replace retirement. It was for additional money to help with retirement.

    What the govt needs to do is end social security, and let people handle their own money.

    Govt should not be cradle to grave solution solvers for everyone and everything. They can't because they fail on most of their programs.
     
  13. chestnut

    chestnut New Member

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    Again, you miss the point.

    People need to be reliant upon themselves. Period. Until that happens, the country will never get strong.

    Self reliance creates pride in oneself and feelings of accomplishment.

    The Government needs to quit telling everyone that they will take care of everything because, as you see by now, it can't
     
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    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    ....And, it's still in-place.​

    List the top-five.

    :rolleyes:
     
  15. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

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    Bingo!!!! (...And, it's still in-place.)

    No one asked what the most-profitable government-program was....well, besides the Defense Industry.​
     
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