6 dead, 12 injured in shooting at Arizona political meeting

[BigRob]

As someone who watched it, the whole thing...99% of it was just a service...I believe it was his son, who just lost his Father and Mother..gave a very emotional, and if you watched it...you could clearly see...very emotional and also one that was not exactly...one someone of clear thought but of one overcome with grief. Of course taken out of context of that it was not something planned by anyone but his son...it was attacked by the Republican party as if it was some planned DNC speech. Hours of a service where ignored...and they focused on the bits that where more political. And they attacked all out over it for every day till the election...By watching them talk after you would think it was a 3 hour rally...not a funeral that happen to have a few political references as one would expect...and the son of the dead going a bit overboard...and we don't even know if he planned to say any of it, or just overcome with emotion did...But they spun the Funeral to fit them....

A lot of my freinds who where very much Democrats...where having a hard time dealing with his death even weeks later...so I can only imagine what it must have been like for his son. I had a lot of respect for him, even though I never voted for him..and voted for Dean Berkley in that election ( IP party) ....( who as a side not I was actually suppose to interview for a project I was working out, but he had to fly to DC to be sworn in to fill Welstones seat..the day i was to interview him...showing how fast things happened)

I sat at home with my mom dad and sister, and a few freind who where big supports and there mom and dad, also big supporters....we watched it all..to us it was a sad remembrance of a great person...none of us watched feeling it was any type of rally...last I checked rallys should not have people crying most of the time.

Point is, if you inject political themes and motives into the memorial service, then you have opening it up as such, and should not be surprised when your opposition responds in a political fashion.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Point is, if you inject political themes and motives into the memorial service, then you have opening it up as such, and should not be surprised when your opposition responds in a political fashion.

I am sure that was well thought out by a son who just lost his parents..

just the same..when you make someone a "Target" and put pictures of someone on your website with cross hairs over them...And then that person has someone try to assassinate them...your going to get called on it as well.

Difference is...rational people making a political move for gain

vs

distraught family member who just lost family...I am going to give one a little more slack. And also more slack that the Political party who makes his speech a focal point of a Election.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Back to issue at hand...

Violent rhetoric...leads to Violance ....clear tie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJRAJwSyvag&feature=channel

should be interesting to see if Gipper and Rick Watch this before they attack it.

I think this video was very fitting to what happened...even if not about a shooting.

 

[BigRob]

I am sure that was well thought out by a son who just lost his parents..

just the same..when you make someone a "Target" and put pictures of someone on your website with cross hairs over them...And then that person has someone try to assassinate them...your going to get called on it as well.

Difference is...rational people making a political move for gain

vs

distraught family member who just lost family...I am going to give one a little more slack. And also more slack that the Political party who makes his speech a focal point of a Election.

The story indicated it was more than just the man's son making political points...

That said, your cannot really compare the two in my opinion.. one is just attacking political statements, while the other is blaming a tragedy on basically a political campaign... with as of yet no evidence by the way.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

The story indicated it was more than just the man's son making political points...

That said, your cannot really compare the two in my opinion.. one is just attacking political statements, while the other is blaming a tragedy on basically a political campaign... with as of yet no evidence by the way.

Anyone who says specifically say Palins campaign is to blame..is a idiot...that said...pointing out her Rhetoric and website as part of the problem of violent rhetoric I think is fair game for attack on that aspect. Trying to prove it was one ad or statement or something..would be like blaming video games for a crime...at best you could show a possible effect may have been there, but you could never prove it.

This type of Rhetoric...may not have been the specific cause of this..I am sure mental illness will play the biggest role...But knowing people like this guy are out there...it certainly can help push them into doing something. Like the video I posted...with what was said and what happened...you could never in court say 1 caused the other....but you can say that 1 certainly helped make it more likely that it happened.

as for that story...there where references of course to politics in other places....it would be very hard to have a service for him and not knowing who he was, and how much of what he did and his politics ...was what made him...hard to ignore that and give a proper service for him. I watched the whole thing...and yes there where little bits...but it was his sons speech that I knew the republicans where going to attack as I watched...it it was the basis for countless attacks. But like you said, it was different type of event...It was just first thing that popped in my head as close.

 

[Rick]

Anyone who says specifically say Palins campaign is to blame..is a idiot...that said...pointing out her Rhetoric and website as part of the problem of violent rhetoric I think is fair game for attack on that aspect. Trying to prove it was one ad or statement or something..would be like blaming video games for a crime...at best you could show a possible effect may have been there, but you could never prove it.

This type of Rhetoric...may not have been the specific cause of this..I am sure mental illness will play the biggest role...But knowing people like this guy are out there...it certainly can help push them into doing something. Like the video I posted...with what was said and what happened...you could never in court say 1 caused the other....but you can say that 1 certainly helped make it more likely that it happened.

Leftwingers screamed "violent rhetoric" for eight years during the Bush administration. Then when obozo gets elected, they become born again non-violent rhetoric advocates.

 

[Stalin]

If the suspect had been accepted into the armed forces, and gone to Iraq and wiped out a wedding party, there would not be all this hand-wringing and out-of-control pundits in the squalk media, and he probably would not have even been charged, or labelled as a nut or psycho.

Comrade Stalin

 

[Gipper]

If the suspect had been accepted into the armed forces, and gone to Iraq and wiped out a wedding party, there would not be all this hand-wringing and out-of-control pundits in the squalk media, and he probably would not have even been charged, or labelled as a nut or psycho.

Comrade Stalin

Gen, you can add this post to your "Best of the Worst" list.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Leftwingers screamed "violent rhetoric" for eight years during the Bush administration. Then when obozo gets elected, they become born again non-violent rhetoric advocates.

Is it possible for you to think or say anything without just screaming liberals? its so pointless to talk to you.

 

[nobull]

Sad but ironic. Nobody likes to hear about a lunatic shooting innocent people. But what followed was even more insane. The father of the congresswoman immediately pinned it on the Tea Party. It was his liberal kneejerk reaction; the same liberal kneejerk reaction that has labeled white males all as racists by the obama camp. Then we find out the shooter was a liberal.

Then Sheriff Dushbag... I hope I got the spelling right, don't want to show any disrespect. He opens his mouth and claims it is vitriol. Then he admits that the police had complaints about this guy and did nothing. So the liberal kneejerk response once again deploys Sampson's favorite weapon the ever useful jawbone of an azz.

This reminds me of what the press tried to do to the fat guy Richard Jewell that was a security guard at the olympics. That was police power and the state run media at its most abusive.

Then there is the wonderful story of Edward Humphrey the falsely accused guy linked forever to the Gainesville murders. They wrecked that kid's life too.

So there is nothing new about police incompetence and the press latching on to the false cover story.

Here they have the gunman in custody. He is not a member of the Tea Party. He is not a republican. In fact he is a liberal. And Sheriff Dusbag is incompetent and like most incompetent bureaucrats is a liberal and always finding new and creative ways to coverup his failings by blaming others.

Congratulations to Sheriff Dusbag and to Mr.Gillford, you both made total azzes out of yourselves in the national medial by blaming the Tea Party for a liberal gunman's rampage. Like I always say... when a liberal opens their mouth, siht comes out. I am mad..

regards
Doug

 

[Gipper]

As someone who watched it, the whole thing...99% of it was just a service...I believe it was his son, who just lost his Father and Mother..gave a very emotional, and if you watched it...you could clearly see...very emotional and also one that was not exactly...one someone of clear thought but of one overcome with grief. Of course taken out of context of that it was not something planned by anyone but his son...it was attacked by the Republican party as if it was some planned DNC speech. Hours of a service where ignored...and they focused on the bits that where more political. And they attacked all out over it for every day till the election...By watching them talk after you would think it was a 3 hour rally...not a funeral that happen to have a few political references as one would expect...and the son of the dead going a bit overboard...and we don't even know if he planned to say any of it, or just overcome with emotion did...But they spun the Funeral to fit them....

A lot of my freinds who where very much Democrats...where having a hard time dealing with his death even weeks later...so I can only imagine what it must have been like for his son. I had a lot of respect for him, even though I never voted for him..and voted for Dean Berkley in that election ( IP party) ....( who as a side not I was actually suppose to interview for a project I was working out, but he had to fly to DC to be sworn in to fill Welstones seat..the day i was to interview him...showing how fast things happened)

I sat at home with my mom dad and sister, and a few freind who where big supports and there mom and dad, also big supporters....we watched it all..to us it was a sad remembrance of a great person...none of us watched feeling it was any type of rally...last I checked rallys should not have people crying most of the time.

You have no clue. The Dems completely politized Wellstone memorial. They turned a death into a campaign rally...the sick bastards. You are so delusional.

Even the commie lib CNN knows the truth (see below), but you are too partisan to see the truth.

Tone of Wellstone memorial generates anger
October 30, 2002

The partisan tone of the memorial service for the late Sen. Paul Wellstone stirred anger Wednesday in some Republicans, political consultants and radio talk show hosts who say some of the comments and behavior were inappropriate.

Democrats defended the nature of the service, but they also apologized to anyone who might have been offended.

Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, was booed Tuesday night when he entered Williams Arena at the University of Minnesota for the service. Scattered boos also greeted independent Gov. Jesse Ventura, who Wednesday lashed out at Democrats for what he called a "political rally."

The crowd cheered loudly for former Vice President Walter Mondale, who announced in a letter Wednesday that he would run for Wellstone's seat.

Some Republicans in Minnesota demanded equal time from the local television stations that carried last night's memorial, attended by a crowd of more than 20,000. But officials at local television stations pointed out that they will cover President Bush's expected trip to Minnesota this weekend, when he will campaign for Republican Norm Coleman.

Vin Weber, a former congressman from Minnesota, lambasted Democrats for what he called a "complete, total absolute sham."

"To them, Wellstone's death, apparently, was just another campaign event," he told the Minneapolis Star-Tribune.

Dave Ryan, a radio talk show host in Minneapolis, said the airwaves have been full of talk about the service, which featured speeches from Wellstone family members and friends who urged the crowd to remember Wellstone when they cast their votes next week.

"I guess the local stations here were swamped with phone calls from people who were angry because they had been sold a memorial service that had turned into a political rally," Ryan said in an interview with CNN. "And I really thought that was kind of shameful. I really did."

Democrats, who initially dismissed the criticism, later apologized for some activity, but said the event was unscripted and reflected the strong emotions people felt about Wellstone's death.

"We're sorry if some of the comments went too far in a political direction," Jim Farrell, the former press secretary for Wellstone, told CNN.

"The Republicans in the middle of a memorial service decided to call it politics," said Mike Erlandson, chairman of the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party, as the Democrats are known in Minnesota. "It wasn't politics; it was Paul Wellstone."
http://articles.cnn.com/2002-10-30/...itical-rally-mike-erlandson?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

 

[gininMI]

Unfortunately, as soon as the tragic news broke, all I heard about was the targets on one of Palin's websites and how they were to blame for all this. These people who started this blame game are so ridiculous. Families are stunned and in mouring so they certainly didn't need to be associated with this kind of garbage spewed by the pols, pundits, etc....

 

[Rick]

It's pure hypocrisy. Today Rush was quoting some of obozo's "angry" words:

Like when he said people should be "angry" at AIG when they gave out bonuses after they were bailed out. Remember when union thugs found out where AIG families were located and sent mobs to surround their houses? At that time, obozo said to AIG "I'm the only one standing between you and the pitchforks".

See? There's permitted Pee See hate and anger, and non-Pee See anger - the latter only is not permitted.

 

[Apathy]

It's pure hypocrisy. Today Rush was quoting some of obozo's "angry" words:

Like when he said people should be "angry" at AIG when they gave out bonuses after they were bailed out. Remember when union thugs found out where AIG families were located and sent mobs to surround their houses? At that time, obozo said to AIG "I'm the only one standing between you and the pitchforks".

See? There's permitted Pee See hate and anger, and non-Pee See anger - the latter only is not permitted.

6 people dead and 12 wounded.... Oh wait maybe Im a bit off topic, I apologize. So what is Obama's fault now?

 

[PLC1]

6 people dead and 12 wounded.... Oh wait maybe Im a bit off topic, I apologize. So what is Obama's fault now?

Obviously, it's all Obama's fault. He is the POTUS, after all, and he is a Democrat. If something bad happens, and there is a Democrat in the WH, then it is automatically the president's fault.

How can you argue with such logic?