90% of all health care cost in US due to preventable illnesses

You may as well have blamed the housing bubble and collapse on ManBearPig... That would actually be - slightly - less absurd than blaming the problem on the mythical existence of a Free Market.
I didn't.
I blamed in on ineffective regulation.
 
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I didn't.
I blamed in on ineffective regulation.

I thought the regulation did what it was reasonably intended to do, mix unqualified loans in with legit ones and hope it doesn't get noticed. Of course politicians being generally incapable of understanding cause and effect, things got out of hand.
 
*ROTFLMAO @ the American 'healthcare' system* Bwaaaaaaaaaahhhhhaaaaaaaaaaahhhhaaaaaaaaaa!!!
 
Strange. The Canadian banking system is heavily-regulated by the government. Yet, it is the ONLY banking system in the world to escape the recent global financial meltdown unscathed. We were NOT required to nationalise (see COMMIE bastards) a single bank, unlike the USA, Britain etc. (the list goes on... and on). China has decided to consider modelling their banking system after our own. The nationalisation of American banks PROVES that American capitalism is destructive and should itself be destroyed.
 
I've never seen anyone die in the streets. They get carted off to a hospital and by law the hospital can't refuse to take care of them.
*cough, cough* Ahem...

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Medical malpractice suit: UPenn hospital sued after failure to admit patient
March 4, 2010 (NewYorkInjuryNews.com - Injury News, Medical Malpractice)

U. of Pennsylvania Hospital refused dying patient for lack of health insurance.

Legal news for Pennsylvania medical malpractice attorneys –A man died from cardiac arrest after being denied urgent medical care for lacking medical insurance at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania.

Philadelphia, PA (NewYorkInjuryNews.com) — A man needing urgent medical care was misdiagnosed by a doctor and denied treatment due to lack of health insurance, which led to his tragic and avoidable death. The lawsuit filed on behalf of 56-year-old Marcus Murray and his wife, versus the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania, went to federal court March 2, 2010, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.

Murray was refused medical treatment at the Pennsylvania hospital when he needed immediate surgery to treat an “aortic dissection”, a tear in a major artery, which led to his death. The Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania (Penn) would not admit Murray after they learned that he lacked insurance, according to the Murray’s lawyer.

Cardiothoracic surgeon, Y. Joseph Woo at Underwood Hospital, and the Penn emergency-room doctor on the case, Robert M. Sidwa, were also named in the lawsuit. Underwood allegedly failed to diagnose Murray properly and did not send him to a hospital that had the capacity to handle his serious condition.

A nurse made a note in Murray’s medical records stating that Penn “refused to accept patient due to no medical insurance.” Murray waited for hours for necessary medical care while doctors and medical professional tried to make arrangements for him to go to another hospital for the surgery. When they finally got him on the operating table, he tragically passed away from cardiac arrest."
You were saying? I have read MANY such instances, which causes we Canadians to cringe at American stupidity.
 
When you break the lsw here you get punished.

When you have your diagnostic tests pushed back many months you die sometimes as did a canadian friend of mine.

Glass houses Sax....
 
The nationalisation of American banks PROVES that American capitalism is destructive and should itself be destroyed.

That has to be one of the most foolish statements I have ever read and I read the NY Slimes every morning.

You have it completely backwards. In capitalism, the bad banks would have gone bankrupt and those executives committing illegalities would have gone to jail. In socialism, like they have in Canuckland, the big bad banks get bailed out by the government using funny money and amazingly no one goes to jail, all while the American people get taken to the cleaners and the big bad banks get BIGGER and more profitable!!!

Isn't socialism grand or more accurately isn't a Kleptocracy grand....or if you wish, a kinder and gentler form of FASCISM.
 
The Canadian system isn't perfect.
The American system isn't perfect, either, it's just a lot more expensive.
Were we truly rational, had we a functioning Congress, we just might be able to come up with a system that is still imperfect, but a lot better than either one.

But, alas, being rational and having a functioning Congress? No, we can't manage that.
 
*cough, cough* Ahem...

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Medical malpractice suit: UPenn hospital sued after failure to admit patient
March 4, 2010 (NewYorkInjuryNews.com - Injury News, Medical Malpractice)

U. of Pennsylvania Hospital refused dying patient for lack of health insurance.

Legal news for Pennsylvania medical malpractice attorneys –A man died from cardiac arrest after being denied urgent medical care for lacking medical insurance at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania.

Philadelphia, PA (NewYorkInjuryNews.com) — A man needing urgent medical care was misdiagnosed by a doctor and denied treatment due to lack of health insurance, which led to his tragic and avoidable death. The lawsuit filed on behalf of 56-year-old Marcus Murray and his wife, versus the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania, went to federal court March 2, 2010, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer.

Murray was refused medical treatment at the Pennsylvania hospital when he needed immediate surgery to treat an “aortic dissection”, a tear in a major artery, which led to his death. The Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania (Penn) would not admit Murray after they learned that he lacked insurance, according to the Murray’s lawyer.

Cardiothoracic surgeon, Y. Joseph Woo at Underwood Hospital, and the Penn emergency-room doctor on the case, Robert M. Sidwa, were also named in the lawsuit. Underwood allegedly failed to diagnose Murray properly and did not send him to a hospital that had the capacity to handle his serious condition.

A nurse made a note in Murray’s medical records stating that Penn “refused to accept patient due to no medical insurance.” Murray waited for hours for necessary medical care while doctors and medical professional tried to make arrangements for him to go to another hospital for the surgery. When they finally got him on the operating table, he tragically passed away from cardiac arrest."
You were saying? I have read MANY such instances, which causes we Canadians to cringe at American stupidity.

Oh balogna. What part of missed diagnosis did you not understand. Misdiagnosis happens all the time. It also happens to patients in countries with socialized medicine.

Talk about the wonders of socialized medicine, one young man actually died of thirst last year in Britain. Apparently no one saw to it that he received any fluids.

This is what governs emergencies in the U.S: (unless Obamacare did away with it)

Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act
 
The Canadian system isn't perfect.
The American system isn't perfect, either, it's just a lot more expensive.
Were we truly rational, had we a functioning Congress, we just might be able to come up with a system that is still imperfect, but a lot better than either one.

But, alas, being rational and having a functioning Congress? No, we can't manage that.

Congress managed to grunt out obamacare which does nothing to address the issues.
with that track record id prefer they do nothing.
 
The Canadian system isn't perfect.
The American system isn't perfect, either, it's just a lot more expensive.
Were we truly rational, had we a functioning Congress, we just might be able to come up with a system that is still imperfect, but a lot better than either one.

But, alas, being rational and having a functioning Congress? No, we can't manage that.

if we had a congress functional or not that did not interfere with the insurance/medical industry they would be working much better.
 
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So much could be done to lower health care costs with equal quality results. I have observed the health care system in several Asian countries.
1. A modest sized city may have 10 hospitals. One is equipped with MRI, Cat Scan .. most modern equipment. Other hospitals only have an X-ray machine, some are not much more than a large emergency room offering advanced first aid. Depending on your illness or injury, you go to a facility that meets your needs and no more. Thus payments are much lower.

2. If medicine is needed, the doctors prescribe the cheapest medicine that will do the job. Newly developed, expensive drugs are seldom prescribed unless absolutely necessary.

3. Doctors give talk to you about choices. I broke my leg near my knee and the doctor said we could just put on a cast for a month. Or, he could operate and try to repair ligaments using metal stitches. Finally I could go to a big city where the doctors have laparoscopic surgery and I would walk in a few days. Since my sports days are over, I chose the cast -- for less than $500.

4. Doctor assisted suicide. A patient who is ill with a disease that cannot be cured and every day is another day of suffering should be given an option to have a doctor help him with suicide. Note I said option, not death panels. Why keep a patient alive who will never again have a day without pain?

Those are just some of many changes that could be made, but in our society it is highly unlikely they ever will be.
 
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