Me too. I'm a Militant Atheist, though a Jew.
Kinda defeats you right there.
I hate creationists and Holy Book Literalists of all type.
This includes OT/Biblical entitlement to the Holy Land.
I make my case for Israel without any Claptrap.
Just recent history. (as I showed at the top of this page)
which leads to the next portion...
Jews Are a race/people- as I said above and it was the Race of Jews that Created Zionism, NOT the religion.
In fact, the opposition To Zionsim was from the Religous.
And most of the remaining anti-zionist Jews are RELIGOUS, small Orthodox sects like Neturei Karta, and their websites Jew haters love to quote like Jewsnotzionists etc.
I'm sure you know them.
We STILL are a Race and a People.
This is both so culturally and Genetically.
I am a Cultural Jew, completely non-religous. Like probably much of American Jewry.
To the degree we are still perscuted it's Racially NOT Religously. I pointed that out in my last.
Have a party
Continuing...
Asked and answered. AND....
Jews never left the Holy Land since the Roman conquest and remained, tho in small number for about 1500 years. Slowly increasing in the 16th-19th Centuries until they were the largest Constituent of the population in Places like Jerusalem since about... 1840.
(documentation of course available)
Continuous presence and significant settlement are the Claim, NOT Genesis.
A better Claim than Anglos have on the USA, especially any land West of the Ohio River. Make that the Hudson River!
I always enjoy these wacky comparisons and make better ones.
Arabs ended up with 99% of the Ottoman Empire.
If one wants to break them down into sub groups, and sub-sub groups, (like 'palestinians' or the other new treat 'Jordanians') (or Haifans!) one can always find injustice. 'Native Jordanians' (whatever the hell that is) are ruled by an imposed Saudi/Hashemite Family.
And Lebanon was carved out of the French Mandate to have a small Christian Majority. But there's not much ruccus about that.
The Kurds (a Large and true ethnic and cultural group unlike 'palestinians') are the people who did the worst.
I'm sure you're always campaigning/posting for a free Kurdistan!
ergo, Including Kurdish land, my guess is Arabs control/rule about 105% of their natural range! Not less.
NO, a better comparison would be.. suppose American Indians ended up with 99% of North America and the settlers/colonists 1%. Say Connecticut. Instead of the Reverse- with whites getting 99%.
Now someone will always say the 'Pommawackwack' indians got screwed, but their father tribe of [North East] Eries, and greater Indian Race did spectacularly well, getting the whole rest of North America from Albany to Vancouver to San Diego.
And in the case of Jews, unlike Anglos in America, Jews
had a steady presence and history on Israel/Connecticut.
Now that's a better comparison of the overall situation.
Jews were quite happy with the borders they were given.
It was the Arabs of course who were not.
Funny thing about War- you can lose land too!
So.. a guy goes into a Casino 3 years in a row and loses all his money.
The 4th year he comes back and says he's going to kill everyone in the place if they don't give him all his money back.
Arabs have had several shots at wiping out the Jews.
How many free ones do you think is fair?
I don't think a small border adjustment is Unfair at this point (the Fence currently runs 3% into the WB and Gaza has been returned entirely).
In fact Res 242 always foresaw a small adjustment in Israel's favor to New 'Secure and recognized' boundaries; Recognizing the old ones were not. Another subject.
