Astonishing display of Orwellian "doublethink" by five liberal Supreme Court justices

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In George Orwell's previously-fictional book "1984", he described a totalitarian government that got its way by oppressing, lying to, and sometimes torturing its subjects. In one example, Orwell described a government official saying to his subject something like, "That chair is white". The subject replies, "But the chair is black. Why do you say it's white?" The official says, "I don't remember that. It's black."

Orwell cites this as a perfect example of what he called "doublethink": The ability to completely reverse what you said just a moment ago, with no regret or thought of any contradiction at all.

We got another example of this "doublethink" this morning, in the Opinion of the Court written by Chief Justice John Souter Roberts and agreed to by the other four liberal justices.

Two of the questions they had to decide were:

1.) Can the Court make any decision at all on the Mandate, since it has not actually gone into effect yet and no one has had to pay its Penalty?

2.) Is it constitutional for the Govt to penalize people for NOT buying health insurance?

Reading through the Opinion of the Court, I found that Roberts had solved the first problem by saying that, if the required payment were a "Tax", the Court would not be able to render any judgement on it since the "Tax" had not yet been paid by anyone yet. But, Roberts said, if the payment were a "Penalty", the Court *could* render a judgement even though it had not yet been paid, due to past court cases where this was done. Therefore, Roberts would consider it a "Penalty", and the Court could now make judgements on the entire case.

Then Roberts went on to examine the second question. He stated straight out that, if the payments were a "Penalty", then there was no way they could be constitutional: Neither the Commerce Clause, the Welfare Clause, nor the Necessary and Proper Clause could be stretched to justify them. Indeed, since the payments were described in the Obamacare bill only as a "Penalty", and never a "tax", this would be the case... if it really was a "Penalty".

Roberts then announced that, since this "Penalty" (as it was described by the bill itself) had a few characteristics of a tax (collected by the IRS, as both taxes and penalties often are, and was scaled to a person's income, as both taxes and penalties often are), he would now consider it a tax. And therefore it was constitutional under Congress's power to lay and collect taxes.

And that's how the stunning conclusion came about. Never mind that he had just finished saying that the only way he could even look at the case, was if it was a Penalty.

Roberts said it was a "Penalty", only long enough to get it into the Court. At that point, Roberts then announced in effect, "I don't remember that. It's a 'Tax'." And wrote the rest of his Opinion.

And of course, the rest of the liberals on the Court happily agreed. And we wound up with a 5-4 decision upholding Obamacare.

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I've often seen liberal judges "legislating from the bench"... that is, writing out new laws themselves instead of judging the laws that were brought before them. Judges who do this, usually write their new "law", only one way: The way they wished it read, instead of the way the original law actually read.

This is the first time I've ever seen a judge write it both ways at the same time.

I guess you learn something new every day.

(still shaking my head in wonderment)
 
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This really should not come as a surprise to anyone... Once upon a time the actions of the Federal government were limited to those specifically listed in the Enumerated Powers clause. After the Welfare state was ruled Constitutional under FDR, all limitations on the power of the Federal government to tax and spend were obliterated. Based on that precedent, Roberts pointed out in his ruling that there are no limits on who or what can be taxed by the federal government nor any limitations on what those funds can be used for.

So for all my friends who think this is some massive blow to Individual Liberty, it was killed long ago while FDR was in office... This ruling is simply the official coffin used to bury a long dead corpse. The shock you're feeling comes from the fact that you didn't believe people like me when we told you it was dead but now, as you watch the coffin being lowered into the ground and covered with dirt, you're realizing that America has lost something that may never be replaced.
 
Gen well said..Individual Liberty, it was killed long ago while FDR was in office......And the fall-out is...
Tens of millions of Americans have become absolutely addicted to government money. Nobody ever wants “their government benefits” to be cut, but nobody ever seems to want to have their taxes raised to pay for them.

Obviously, the course that we are on is not anywhere close to sustainable.To say that the “war on poverty” was a failure would be a huge understatement.The more money we seem to spend on social programs, the more that poverty seems to grow.

Right now, there are over 45 million Americans on food stamps. The economy is supposed to be “recovering”, but the number of Americans on food stamps has grown by over 8 percent in just the past year.
Food stamps are the modern equivalent of the old-fashioned bread lines. The federal government is now feeding an almost unbelievable number of Americans.

According to the Wall Street Journal, nearly 15 percent of all Americans are now on food stamps. That means that approximately one out of every seven Americans is dependent on the federal government for food.

That is not just a crisis – that is a total nightmare.

So what can be done?Well, we certainly shouldn’t let our people starve in the streets.But handouts should only be a temporary solution.

What these people really need are good jobs. Unfortunately, our “leaders” have created a business environment in this country that is incredibly toxic, and they have stood by as millions upon millions of good jobs have been shipped out of the country. That is one of the reasons why I write about the insane trade policies of the globalists over and over and over. The American people need to understand that globalization is going to mean a continuing loss of jobs for this country and it is going to result in the destruction of the middle class.

If we are not going to provide good jobs for American workers, then we are going to have to pay higher taxes in order to feed them and take care of them.
 
pretty nice of Roberts to invent a defense of the case when the administration could not.

he just turns it around and says here's a new tax (Constitutional, Congress can tax) but you can get a deduction of that tax if you buy insurance.

so sorry job hunters, no hiring till at least November. which will further improve Romney's odds and quite likely run the government out of debt ceiling even sooner.

and most fun are the states saying the won't play ball. going to be one long hot summer. and fall will be bloody.
 
BO & Friends said Obamacare was not a tax. They said it over and over during the debate in Congress. Yet, Roberts arbitrarily concludes its a tax making the whole bill constitutional and of course, the four commie bitches on the court gladly go along with him.

WTF!
 
BO & Friends said Obamacare was not a tax. They said it over and over during the debate in Congress. Yet, Roberts arbitrarily concludes its a tax making the whole bill constitutional and of course, the four commie bitches on the court gladly go along with him.

WTF!

interesting juxtaposition

of course they also found it OK to murder babies for the heck of it.


Chief Justice John Roberts held in his majority opinion today that Obamacare's individual mandate may be considered a constitutional tax rather than an unconstitutional mandate.

Justices Scalia, Kennedy, Thomas, and Alito forcefully disagree with Roberts in their dissent. "[W]e cannot rewrite the statute to be what it is not," the four Justices write. "[W]e have never—never—treated as a tax an exaction which faces up to the critical difference between a tax and a penalty, and explicitly denominates the exaction a 'penalty.' Eighteen times in §5000A itself and elsewhere throughout the Act, Congress called the exaction in §5000A(b) a 'penalty.'"
 
It is amazing for Non American to hear about the Reaction here. The USAa has the dearest Medical benefits scheme in the world. It gives benefits to veterans , the very poor and those insure but nothing to the rest. This is benefits for special groups not socialism. The Judges are not Communists.
Obama medical benefits scheme will help more and maybee even cheaper than the previous scheme.
 
It is amazing for Non American to hear about the Reaction here. The USAa has the dearest Medical benefits scheme in the world. It gives benefits to veterans , the very poor and those insure but nothing to the rest. This is benefits for special groups not socialism. The Judges are not Communists.
Obama medical benefits scheme will help more and maybee even cheaper than the previous scheme.

you can't add massive overhead and cost less. no body analyzing this believes this will do anything but cost far more. but the real issues will come when they cannot find docs to treat the new medicaid people. those folks will be unhappy that it was all a ruse.
 
we could tell them to grab a government tit and start suckling till things collapse... oh wait, that is exactly what obama is hoping for...
oddly Obama care tells free loaders to stop getting health care off the teat of the rest and pay your damn share.
When republicans came up with the idea it was called Personal responsibility...but when the black muslim from Kenya says it...EVIL!

Obama wants more people to have health care...you seem to be fine with less...and for people to be dropped for no reason...people to be basically barred from coverage for being sick...And then you can tell them while they get sicker and sicker....Look Freedom! you get to Die Free....Free of help
 
you can't add massive overhead and cost less. no body analyzing this believes this will do anything but cost far more. but the real issues will come when they cannot find docs to treat the new medicaid people. those folks will be unhappy that it was all a ruse.

Sure you can, ask republicans...who talk about the good parts of the Bill saying yes we should do them...they just hate that part about anyone being asked to pay anything.

YOu know how you guys cut taxes but don't cut spending leading to huge Budget blow ups in the 2000's that you never bitched about?

Fight wars without paying for them...because you want Bomb them and kill them Muslims Fans...but damned if you want them have to actually do anything them selfs....like pay for it.

Republicans like to be the ones for what people want, just not for the ways you get them. It must be easy to win Elections that way....I will cut your taxes and give you money...Fuck no I have no plans to actually cut spending first!
 
In George Orwell's previously-fictional book "1984", he described a totalitarian government that got its way by oppressing, lying to, and sometimes torturing its subjects. In one example, Orwell described a government official saying to his subject something like, "That chair is white". The subject replies, "But the chair is black. Why do you say it's white?" The official says, "I don't remember that. It's black."

Orwell cites this as a perfect example of what he called "doublethink": The ability to completely reverse what you said just a moment ago, with no regret or thought of any contradiction at all.

We got another example of this "doublethink" this morning, in the Opinion of the Court written by Chief Justice John Souter Roberts and agreed to by the other four liberal justices.

Two of the questions they had to decide were:

1.) Can the Court make any decision at all on the Mandate, since it has not actually gone into effect yet and no one has had to pay its Penalty?

2.) Is it constitutional for the Govt to penalize people for NOT buying health insurance?

Reading through the Opinion of the Court, I found that Roberts had solved the first problem by saying that, if the required payment were a "Tax", the Court would not be able to render any judgement on it since the "Tax" had not yet been paid by anyone yet. But, Roberts said, if the payment were a "Penalty", the Court *could* render a judgement even though it had not yet been paid, due to past court cases where this was done. Therefore, Roberts would consider it a "Penalty", and the Court could now make judgements on the entire case.

Then Roberts went on to examine the second question. He stated straight out that, if the payments were a "Penalty", then there was no way they could be constitutional: Neither the Commerce Clause, the Welfare Clause, nor the Necessary and Proper Clause could be stretched to justify them. Indeed, since the payments were described in the Obamacare bill only as a "Penalty", and never a "tax", this would be the case... if it really was a "Penalty".

Roberts then announced that, since this "Penalty" (as it was described by the bill itself) had a few characteristics of a tax (collected by the IRS, as both taxes and penalties often are, and was scaled to a person's income, as both taxes and penalties often are), he would now consider it a tax. And therefore it was constitutional under Congress's power to lay and collect taxes.

And that's how the stunning conclusion came about. Never mind that he had just finished saying that the only way he could even look at the case, was if it was a Penalty.

Roberts said it was a "Penalty", only long enough to get it into the Court. At that point, Roberts then announced in effect, "I don't remember that. It's a 'Tax'." And wrote the rest of his Opinion.

And of course, the rest of the liberals on the Court happily agreed. And we wound up with a 5-4 decision upholding Obamacare.

--------------------------------

I've often seen liberal judges "legislating from the bench"... that is, writing out new laws themselves instead of judging the laws that were brought before them. Judges who do this, usually write their new "law", only one way: The way they wished it read, instead of the way the original law actually read.

This is the first time I've ever seen a judge write it both ways at the same time.

I guess you learn something new every day.

(still shaking my head in wonderment)

More mindless Bull about Legislating from the Bench...the court Ruled what the House , Senate and White house did was Legal....You wanted them to turn it down so you cry like a baby .

Activist judge is nothing but Republican for any Judge that rules against us...But you don't give a shit when the are activist in your favor.
 
Just came back for a moment to enjoy the screaming and squirming of those who predicted without a shadow of a doubt the defeat of Obama's healthcare plan by the Supreme Court.

Today was so much fun, especially when Fox jumped on the news that the mandate had been repealed. . . And had to squirm out of it when the decision was explained and was to uphold the plan!

Just a little apetizer for November 2012.

I'll be back then to take another look at the crazinzss on that day!

I just love it!
 
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YOu know how you guys cut taxes but don't cut spending leading to huge Budget blow ups in the 2000's that you never bitched about?

we bitched but its seen as bipartisanship which the left so loves as it benefits them.

thats why I'm fine with them ditching this so callede bipartisanship which has led us to this state of peril.
 
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