End of Local Education Authorities

Iftikhar

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End of Local Education Authorities

Parents’ groups, charities, faith bodies, and mutual organizations will have greater role in delivering educational services under plans being drawn up by both Labour and Tory parties. Swedish system of independent state schools, financed by vouchers, is now inspiring the Tory Party to set British schools free from LEAs. The proposal will end 60 years of local government control of education,

Since 1944, all schools have been under a statutory obligation to provide for the spiritual, moral, social and cultural development of pupils at the schools. All state schools have failed to help children to achieve such goals. This is the main reason why silent majority of Muslim parents would prefer to send their children to Muslim schools. Even OFSTED is unable to assess the spiritual and moral development of the children. There is ample evidence that state schools foster intolerance, hate and bullying. There is no evidence that Muslim schools indoctrinate children with values and endanger shared society. Primary Review reports on diversity presents a powerful attack on current educational discourse in relation to diversity and to bilingual pupils in particular. The schools and teachers see children’s use of languages other than English as a ‘barrier to learning’ instead of recognizing and respecting them.

It is crucial that Muslim children should be surrounded with the languages, culture and faith. Faith is powerful element of both personal and community identity. They need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. There are hundreds of state schools where Muslim pupils are in majority, in my opinion and in the opinion of the silent majority of Muslim parents, all such schools may be designated as Muslim community schools. Muslim schools are not only faith schools, they are more or less bilingual schools. Bilingual Muslim children need to learn and well versed in Standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. They need to learn and well versed in Arabic to recite and understand the Holy Quran. They need to learn and well versed in Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. Bilingualism is brilliant for the development of intellectual ability and cultural understanding. The great diversity of cultures and languages should be the key to the development of Britain as a world leader in multilingual, multi-cultural integration and partnership, an example to every other nation of how people of all faiths and cultures can live, learn and work together in harmony for a more just and fair world for everybody.
Iftikhar Ahmad
 
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Why can't the parents teach the children their faith in private like Jews, Hindus, and even Chrisitans these days do? Why do you need such special treatment?

And you go on about this "silent majority" - sounds like bull**** to me. Sounds like the loud minority of Muslim bigots are speaking for the silent majority who are very happy for their children to be educated in a secular environment.
 

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I've seen this posted before!! I'm sure it was you that posted it on the now defunct Webcameron forum in the middle of last year where it got well and truely shafted!!

It is crucial that Muslim children should be surrounded with the languages, culture and faith. Faith is powerful element of both personal and community identity. They need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual Muslim teachers as role models.

This premise is just rubbish and you know it. School kids in the UK should be taught the National Curriculum end of story. If you don't like the National Curriculum tough titty send your kids to other schools at your expense!

If, as you say its' that "crucial" then their parents have probably chosen to live in the wrong bloody country!!?? Perhaps you should aim your points at them!
 

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Salaam

Muslim schools are not only faith schools but they are more or less
bilingual schools.

Bilingual Muslim children need to learn standard English to follow the
National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve
humanity. They need to be well versed in Arabic to recite and understand the
Holy Quran. They need to be well versed in Urdu and other community
languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of
their literature and poetry.

Bilingualism is an asset but the British schooling regards it as a problem.
A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to
become notoriously monolingual Brit. Pakistan is only seven hours from
London and majority of British Muslims are from Pakistan.

More than third of British Muslim have no qualifications. British school
system has been failing large number of Muslims children for the last 60
years. Muslim scholars see the pursuit of knowledge as a duty, with the
Quran containing several verses to the rewards of learning. 33% of British
Muslims of working age have no qualifications and Muslims are also the least
likely to have degrees or equivalent qualifications. Most of estimated
500,000 Muslim school-aged pupils in England and Wales are educated in the
state system with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. Majority of them are
underachievers because they are at a wrong place at a wrong time.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual
Muslim teachers during their developmental periods. There is no place for a
non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. As far as higher education
is concerned, Muslim students can be educated with others.

You better concentrate on native children for their proper education. Let
Muslim community educate its own children so that they can develop their own
Islamic, cultural and linguistic identities.

We are living in an English speaking country and English is an international
language, therefore, we want our children to learn and be well versed in
standard English and at the same time well versed in Arabic, Urdu and Arabic
languages. Is there anything wrong with this approach?
 

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Salaam

Muslim schools are not only faith schools but they are more or less
bilingual schools.

Bilingual Muslim children need to learn standard English to follow the
National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve
humanity. They need to be well versed in Arabic to recite and understand the
Holy Quran. They need to be well versed in Urdu and other community
languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of
their literature and poetry.

They do not NEED to learn the Quran at the taxpayers expense. Faith is a personal think you can fund yourself. Why can't the mosques teach it??

Bilingualism is an asset but the British schooling regards it as a problem.
A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to
become notoriously monolingual Brit. Pakistan is only seven hours from
London and majority of British Muslims are from Pakistan.

A notoriously monolingual Brit? I don't care how far Pakistain is from London, its irrelevant. If you find it so important to speak Pakistani and go to Pakistan, how about you live there? Why can't you or the mosques teach your children Arabic, rather than the schools?

More than third of British Muslim have no qualifications. British school
system has been failing large number of Muslims children for the last 60
years. Muslim scholars see the pursuit of knowledge as a duty, with the
Quran containing several verses to the rewards of learning. 33% of British
Muslims of working age have no qualifications and Muslims are also the least
likely to have degrees or equivalent qualifications. Most of estimated
500,000 Muslim school-aged pupils in England and Wales are educated in the
state system with non-Muslim monolingual teachers. Majority of them are
underachievers because they are at a wrong place at a wrong time.

So its the schools fault that 2/3's dont have qualifications, but no other large group in British society has this problem. Ever considered you might have to look for the blame within your own community, because other communities don't have this problem.

Bilingual Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with bilingual
Muslim teachers during their developmental periods. There is no place for a
non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. As far as higher education
is concerned, Muslim students can be educated with others.

No place for a non-Muslim child or teacher in a Muslim school Well done, you've confirmed your a bigot. How about a good bit of old fashioned segregation in everything because Muslims are so obviously better than everyone else in society.

You better concentrate on native children for their proper education. Let
Muslim community educate its own children so that they can develop their own
Islamic, cultural and linguistic identities.

We are living in an English speaking country and English is an international
language, therefore, we want our children to learn and be well versed in
standard English and at the same time well versed in Arabic, Urdu and Arabic
languages. Is there anything wrong with this approach?

You've contradicted yourself. We are living in an English speaking country, and English is an international language, and you are part of this culture. How is letting the Muslim community educate their own in isolation a good way of intergrating into this culture?

You have no argument, except that you don't like Muslim children being educated with non-Muslim children because you are a bigot and don't like other people not having the same beliefs as you and you are backward and have failed to understand you need to intergrate if you want a better acceptance in this country.
 

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Why can't the parents teach the children their faith in private like Jews, Hindus, and even Chrisitans these days do? Why do you need such special treatment?

And you go on about this "silent majority" - sounds like bull**** to me. Sounds like the loud minority of Muslim bigots are speaking for the silent majority who are very happy for their children to be educated in a secular environment.

Public schooling in America is so screwed up, I can't blame any parent for refusing to subject his or her child to its insanity. It's not the fault of the teachers, but our utterly convoluted public policies. Still, we're not nearly as culturally lost as Europe. I would imagine public schooling in Europe is founded on a weird concoction of Marxism, emergent Sharia Law, and Caucasian self-loathing. Strange, to say the least. :(
 
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Well KingClovis, your imagination is running a bit wild and your completley wrong.

The only compulsory religion to be taught in schools is still Christanity, and sheria law has no legal standing anywhere in the UK.
 
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