Andy;78067]The Chevy Aveo and Pontiac G3, gets 27/34 MPG. That's better than the Kia Rio, Honda Fit, Hyundai Accent, Nissan Versa, and Toyota Corolla.
The Ford Focus gets 24/33 MPG. That's better than the Mazda 3, Nissan Sentra, MINI Cooper, Mitsubishi Lancer, and Suzuki SX4.
The idea that domestic cars are all gas hogs is a unsupportable myth. I'll give you credit that it's conventional wisdom, and thus not simply something you made up. Nevertheless, people who want to paint the picture that the big three automakers only make low milage cars, tend to one-sidedly point out things like comparing Hummers and Yukons to Insights and Prius.
But none of those are what the average buys is looking for. When you look into the average mid-size family sedan, domestics are very comparable, and in some cases better.
What is even more amusing, is that when you look at the worst MPG cars on the market, they are all foreign.
While the Suburban, Jeep Commander and Explorer, all get 14/20 MPG, the worst cars are:
Lamborghini Roadster 8/13 MPG
Aston Martin DB9 11/17 MPG
Bentley Azure 9/15 MPG
Ferrari 612 Scaglietti 9/16 MPG
Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG 13/18 MPG.
A suburban would be a step up, milage wise, from all of these.
Again, domestic cars are not as fuel inefficient as people would like to claim. Ironically the cars complained about as being gas hogs are the ones GM is making money on.
But what makes it even more amusing is that people like Top Gun, keep mindlessly complaining that GM should make more of the cars people want... but wait, GM is the number one auto manufacturer in the world. GM sells more than any other auto company on this planet. Obviously, if they were not selling cars people want, they would not be outselling everyone on the planet.
Andy Andy Andy... have ya ever even rode in a Chevy Aveo? There is no comparison whatsoever in quality, quietness or ride between that and a Toyota Corolla (of which my wife has owned 2) or the Mini Cooper or Honda Fit... and so I'm guessing the others also.
Then how come the Toyota Camry which cost MORE than many US five passenger mid-size cars kicks their butt all over the country?
Andy, Andy, Andy. You posted a list of either top of the line luxury imports or street race cars. That's like saying Shelby, Saleen or Roush Mustangs or SRT Mopars are standard gas mileage American cars.
And again NO ONE said that. What was said was when you look at the gas mileage of regular everyday cars in say England or Italy they as a part of overall production are much, MUCH more produced, advertised and sold than less fuel efficient cars.
What GM has done is steadily lost market share in the US. You may be totally clueless (I'm bettin') but as I travel out of the country I see all kinds of smaller American cars being sold out of the country that aren't even offered here... hence the do sell out of the country. And American trucks are still in use in most places as well.
Andy;78093]I have not been in a Corolla, which of the few I know who have one, all say it's a pretty cheap car. Not bad, just... cheap. I have been in both the Cooper and the Fit, and they both suck. Aveo wasn't that much better or worse.
That said, I thought you were claiming domestic cars were gas hogs. That was the point I was disproving, and I did so. You are comparing other factors, which I think your claims are dubious, to try and disprove an unrelated point.
You also seem to be missing a major issue. We already established that domestic labor costs are higher than un-unionized imports. Assuming that you could be correct, that domestic autos are more cheaply built, is it possible this is due to compensating for higher labor costs? Is it possible that to off set the extra expenses in Union labor, that they have used cheaper material?
Have you actually been to England or Italy? I have. I've been in their cars. I know what they are really like. Those cars would never sell here. Half of them are roughly equivalent to a clown car you see at a three ring circus.
That is true. I was greatly disappointed that some of the Holden cars were not importable. That said, you should know thatmost of the reasons why they don't end up here is because of lame regulation and restrictions that are "for the public benefit", no doubt passed by democrats.