Obama adopts a conservative approach!

[Andy]

I'm somewhat amazed at all the things attributed to Mr. Obama. He's been called an atheist and a Muslim, a socialist, a commie, a liberal, a homosexual, and a liar. If he's a Muslim why is he going to continue the war like some here have claimed? I understand he's going to give America to the Jews, which is pretty odd for a Muslim. And now he's supposedly done something conservative even though he's not in office and can't really DO anything. I lived through 8 years of King George and I'm struggling with the recession he led us into just like everyone else, but I'm going to give Obama a chance and judge the man on his merits rather than all the stuff people say about him.

Really? What struggle have you had? I'm just curious since I don't actually know anyone that lost their jobs yet. Perhaps you are the first. What struggle have you had?

 

[top gun]

Really? What struggle have you had? I'm just curious since I don't actually know anyone that lost their jobs yet. Perhaps you are the first. What struggle have you had?

Don't they have TV and newspapers back in the hills and hollers Andy?

It's only been the lead story for what 5-6 months now!

 

[Pidgey]

I'm somewhat amazed at all the things attributed to Mr. Obama. He's been called an atheist and a Muslim, a socialist, a commie, a liberal, a homosexual, and a liar. If he's a Muslim why is he going to continue the war like some here have claimed? I understand he's going to give America to the Jews, which is pretty odd for a Muslim. And now he's supposedly done something conservative even though he's not in office and can't really DO anything. I lived through 8 years of King George and I'm struggling with the recession he led us into just like everyone else, but I'm going to give Obama a chance and judge the man on his merits rather than all the stuff people say about him.

All that rot sounds like what it is: fabrications.

I think we're all adults here and we can tell the truth: he's a lawyer!

 

[Andy]

Don't they have TV and newspapers back in the hills and hollers Andy?

It's only been the lead story for what 5-6 months now!

I'm looking for first hand accounts.

 

[top gun]

I'm looking for first hand accounts.

The millions of people in the reported statistics don't count to ya... BECAUSE YOU DON'T "PERSONALLY" KNOW THEM?????????

I don't "personally" know anybody that's been killed in Iraq... but they still matter just the same to me as if I did!

 

[Andy]

The millions of people in the reported statistics don't count to ya... BECAUSE YOU DON'T "PERSONALLY" KNOW THEM?????????

I don't "personally" know anybody that's been killed in Iraq... but they still matter just the same to me as if I did!

Mark Twain said it best. There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Statistics are peachy. I was simply trying to find someone that has lost their job due to the economy, first hand. I have yet to find one.

I'm not saying they don't matter, or that I don't care, or that it means the economy is really wonderful and great. Those are all straw-man arguments your making up. Something you seem good at.

I am asking for my own personal interest if anyone has actually lost their job due to this economy. I know some the lost their job cause they were bad employees. Others because they didn't have skills necessary to maintain employment. But I have not found ANYONE ANYWHERE thus far, that has lost their job because of the economy. If you have not, then everything else you have to say, is largely irrelevant to me for this thread.

 

[PLC1]

I'm looking for first hand accounts.

I know four people who have lost their jobs because of the recession.

That makes it a recession.

When unemployment goes up, that is an economic downturn.

When you know people who have lost their jobs, that is a recession.

When you lose your job, that is a depression.

 

[top gun]

Mark Twain said it best. There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Statistics are peachy. I was simply trying to find someone that has lost their job due to the economy, first hand. I have yet to find one.

I'm not saying they don't matter, or that I don't care, or that it means the economy is really wonderful and great. Those are all straw-man arguments your making up. Something you seem good at.

I am asking for my own personal interest if anyone has actually lost their job due to this economy. I know some the lost their job cause they were bad employees. Others because they didn't have skills necessary to maintain employment. But I have not found ANYONE ANYWHERE thus far, that has lost their job because of the economy. If you have not, then everything else you have to say, is largely irrelevant to me for this thread.

My God you are truly the king of smoke & mirrors!

You're not saying they don't matter and you're not saying the economy is really great and wonderful!!!!!!!!! REALLY... are ya sure... maybe everything is peachy... I mean heck you don't personally know anyone so why be convinced!!!!

Let's see.........

Job Losses Under George W. Bush
January 9, 2009

For 2008 they equaled 2.6 million jobs. Add this to the list of things that George W. Bush screwed up during his terms. He was given a surplus and he gives Barack Obama one of the worst deficits, and worst economic conditions America has ever seen. Not to mention, of course, all the failed foreign policy.

Only eleven days left in this, the saddest, worst, most despicable administration in our nation’s history.


The worst thing is you say you're from Ohio Andy??????????

Ohio Job Losses Worst Since Great Depression
By Charles McMillion
February 21, 2008

According to the U.S. Department of Labor, Ohio had 209,400 fewer nonfarm jobs in December 2007 than it had in December 2000. This loss of 3.7 percent of Ohio’s jobs is the worst seven-year loss in state records that begin in 1939 as the Great Depression was ending. (The details are in my special report.) The previous seven-year job loss record was the period ending in 2006 (3.6 percent of jobs lost) and before that the record was held for the period ending in 1962 when 3.4 percent of jobs were lost in the demobilization after the Korean War.

Nine of the state’s 13 metropolitan areas suffered recent job losses more severe even than Ohio’s statewide losses. Most devastated is the Springfield area, losing 10.0 percent of its jobs over the last seven years. The other areas with job losses worse than statewide include Canton (8.6 percent job loss), Dayton (7.6 percent), Mansfield (6.5 percent), Youngstown (6.3 percent), Lima (5.7 percent), Cleveland (5.5 percent), Toledo (5.0 percent) and Steubenville, Ohio–Weirton, W. Va. (3.8 percent).

Only three of Ohio’s metropolitan areas added jobs over the past three years and none of them even matched the 4.3 percent overall U.S. job growth, the weakest seven-year period since the mid-1940’s demobilization from World War II. The Akron area has the best recent record in Ohio, adding 4.1 percent to its job base since 2000. Jobs increased by 2.0 percent over the period in Cincinnati and by 1.7 percent in Columbus while declining by 2.7 percent in the Sandusky area.

The industrial composition of Ohio job losses and gains reflect recent record trade deficits and the explosion of household and federal debt stimulus. Over the past seven years Ohio lost 23.3 percent of its manufacturing jobs (236,000 jobs,) lost construction jobs, lost jobs in wholesale and retail, lost jobs in information services and even in financial activities. Recent job growth came in private health services bureaucracies (100,100 jobs), restaurants and bars (24,500 jobs), and in state and local governments (18,700 jobs), mostly for public education, health care and prisons. Since 2000, Ohio added just 2,500 jobs in firms providing professional, scientific and technical services.

That is, every industry that is capable of exporting and faces foreign imports or routine outsourcing lost jobs in Ohio over the past seven years. All new jobs are in domestic consumer services that rely on soaring levels of debt.

Ten of Ohio’s metropolitan areas suffered plunging jobs in manufacturing that are even more severe than for the state as a whole. Over the past seven years Springfield lost 46.9 percent of its manufacturing jobs, Sandusky lost 36.5 percent, SteubenvilleWeirton 31.4 percent, Dayton 31.2 percent, Lima 30.7 percent, Canton 30.6 percent, Youngstown 27.3 percent, Mansfield 25.7 percent, Cleveland 25.2 percent and Columbus lost 24.4 percent.

Even the three areas with less precipitous manufacturing job losses than the state as a whole suffered severe losses. Akron lost 17.5 percent of its manufacturing jobs over the past seven years, Cincinnati lost 18.4 percent and Ohio lost 22.6 percent.

The U.S. lost a record 19.8 percent of its manufacturing jobs over the past seven years. The previous record, before recent years, was the loss of 14.6 percent from the peak of the World War II buildup in 1942 to the depth of the demobilization in 1949.

Record-smashing U.S. manufacturing trade losses (production shortages) totaled over $3.0 trillion over the past seven years as the full current account trade losses reached $4.3 trillion.

Together with the unprecedented loss of total jobs — particularly highly productive/high wage manufacturing jobs — the industries that are creating jobs in Ohio are also of concern. These jobs are almost entirely in less productive, lower-paying industries — including the low end of the “professional and business services” category — that cannot create export earnings to offset the cost of imported oil, autos, computers, clothing, etc. But with rising health care costs a serious obstacle for U.S. businesses and households alike, it is troubling that the vast majority of new jobs in Ohio are in private and public health care bureaucracies.

The jobs data tell only one important part of Ohio’s past seven-year economic story. Yet these record job losses bare strong witness to the depressing effects of record trade deficits and the loss of U.S. production that they represent. Another key part of Ohio’s past seven-year economic history is the unprecedented levels of household and federal debt stimulus that — even in Ohio — played a vital role in moderating the effects of import competition, outsourcing and job loss. With the soaring engine of household debt now sputtering and debt service payments rising, strong industrial and trade policies seem urgently needed to halt Ohio’s further decline.

 

[Andy]

blaw blaw blaw, blaw blaw blaw....

Like I said, I wanted to hear of a first hand account. Since you don't have that, I'm ignoring you on this thread, from here on...

 

[Andy]

I know four people who have lost their jobs because of the recession.

That makes it a recession.

When unemployment goes up, that is an economic downturn.

When you know people who have lost their jobs, that is a recession.

When you lose your job, that is a depression.

Ok. Now that's something to work with. Someone who actually answered the question directly.

So just curious, what industries were they in? What did they do for a living?

 

[top gun]

Like I said, I wanted to hear of a first hand account. Since you don't have that, I'm ignoring you on this thread, from here on...

You might "like to hear", but it has no effect on the reality whatsoever.

You're just ducking and trying to downplay the realities.

Thankfully the rest of the country knows... and can't wait til Tuesday!

So you keep you head in the sand Andy. Everyone else can get something from this I guess...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aps_0-AnGzM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0yZmflApZg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYLf3IPfd8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKfEcQsRe6o