Only 281 Chevy Volts, 67 Nissan Leafs sold in February

dahermit said:
The poor performance of the Chevy Volt should come as no surprise to students of history. Any technology in its infancy (electric cars), is very crude before many years of development. For instance, airplanes and firearms obviously more sophisticated and efficient compared to what they were in the beginning.
Electric cars are too good of an idea to abandon. Continued development can result in a car that could meet the need for a non-gasoline powered vehicle.
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Consider a car that uses many technologies: Paint-on solar (an existing technology), energy recovery via braking (an existing technology), more consideration given to wind resistance; better aerodynamic shapes, hybrid (gas back-up), power. Such combination of technologies cars could likely achieve 100 mpg plus results. Increased demand, increased competition would result in the same economic out-come as with computers. $4,000 computers with crude (by todays computers), features floppy drives-no hard drive, etc., ended up costing less than $1,000 with gigs of memory and huge hard drives.
Electric cars are in their infancy...they can and will improve if the public is smart enough to demand it.
 
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pocketfullofshells said:
none of that changes anything...you posted a part about the higher cost of one...and? Just because it cost more does not mean it will not sell.

and pointing out one person who put down 1000 on it, but is having 2nd thoughts about a car they never drove and paid sticker for....Big Fing deal...its one person, and I am guessing you have never worked in sales or you would know that Buyers Remorse on a large purchase is common...one of the things I work on alot is making sure after they buy, they still feel like they got a good deal and all that to reduce some of that....now when you have not got to drive the car or see it or anything? That makes it real ease.

But its kinda sad how so many on the right are so quick to give up on any new tech it seems....at least anything that could in any way help the environment or deal with gas...


Gottlieb Dimler sold his first gas auto in 1892...How big of a seller was it? the view of some here seems to be, if it does not sell..then the whole idea must be thrown out...as if there is just no way one can make the cars better or cheaper as we push the tech and get better at building them...

No its, call it dead before it even is available...do to sales....Its like they want be forced to depend on oil.
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New tech ? there is no new tech here, thats the problem. Electric cars are severely limited as is solar or wind. We do need new tech badly but the government won 't get out of the way to allow it, it insists on charting a course no one knows which gets us nowhere. These are expensive toys for people who like feelgood placebos they do nothing to change the status quo. Maybe there really are 50k such people but what about the remaining 200 million ?
 
dogtowner said:
New tech ? there is no new tech here, thats the problem. Electric cars are severely limited as is solar or wind. We do need new tech badly but the government won 't get out of the way to allow it, it insists on charting a course no one knows which gets us nowhere. These are expensive toys for people who like feelgood placebos they do nothing to change the status quo. Maybe there really are 50k such people but what about the remaining 200 million ?
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You must be living in a cave if you don't think Battery, charging, and car tech in these cars is changing fast and getting better. And I have some news for you...there is no care made for 200 million people...

Go back like 10 years, repeat all your excuses and crying about the tech and mpg and all that ...and it was used on Hybreads...who have gone from the Honda insight that sold fairly poorly...to Car of the year, large selling Prius...along with Hybrid versions of luxury cars, Camry, Fusion, Acuras, ext...and even high end sports cars. Why? because they have found ways to make them better and cheaper, and more of them...and they are doing well now. And yes now there are full gas options as well now, Turbo Diesels, and other tech out there with high MPG...that 10 years ago you did not find on cars..or 5 years ago even....

But you keep loving yours gas sucker, and crying about how we need to drill more oil...so you can have your H2 or what ever gas sucker you feel you have to have.
 
pocketfullofshells said:
You must be living in a cave if you don't think Battery, charging, and car tech in these cars is changing fast and getting better. And I have some news for you...there is no care made for 200 million people...

Go back like 10 years, repeat all your excuses and crying about the tech and mpg and all that ...and it was used on Hybreads...who have gone from the Honda insight that sold fairly poorly...to Car of the year, large selling Prius...along with Hybrid versions of luxury cars, Camry, Fusion, Acuras, ext...and even high end sports cars. Why? because they have found ways to make them better and cheaper, and more of them...and they are doing well now. And yes now there are full gas options as well now, Turbo Diesels, and other tech out there with high MPG...that 10 years ago you did not find on cars..or 5 years ago even....

But you keep loving yours gas sucker, and crying about how we need to drill more oil...so you can have your H2 or what ever gas sucker you feel you have to have.
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You probably believe that Energizers marketed as new and improved actually are.

Hybrids not exactly flying off he lots, 2010 third straight year of declining sales. 28k out of 1.1m in December. More feelgood placebos that have not changed the status quo.
 
Quantum break-throughs in battery technology are unlikely for a long time.

Here are the keys to battery powered cars:

1. An induction based enroute contactless charging system for freeway-length commutes, and the not-likely to improve current technology for tootling around town.

2. What I've been saying for at least five years: 100 new-generation nuclear reactors for the electricity. I was stunned when I heard obozo use the same phrase in his last state of the union speech.

The stupid brute hand of statist government has to get out of the electric car business. Instead, the cost of gas has to rise - maybe, say, $50 gallon. It will if the US stops propping up theocracies like saudi arabia. Then the market, far smarter than a dumbass leftwinger with a degree in history who runs a government agency, will bring forth the needed innovations.
 
dogtowner said:
Lithium ion like we've had for 15 years or more. Expensive, toxic and short lived. Just like the one in your phone only huge. And good old gas. It will be interesting to see who buys a second one.
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you get your 15 year old lithium cell phone and look at my new one...and then you can tell me that nothing had advanced....
 
Rick said:
1. An induction based enroute contactless charging system for freeway-length commutes, and the not-likely to improve current technology for tootling around town.
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First you'll need to talk to the green freaks about the "dangers" of having the magnetic fields from those systems enveloping the car (and its occupants) for hours on end, not to mention passers-by, nearby houses etc.... magnetic fields they will say cause cancer or genetic abnormalities or whatever the next "hazard" turns out to be. Commonly such matters at least triple the costs of installation via endless repeated lawsuits, if such lawsuits can be won at all (chancy at best).

2. What I've been saying for at least five years: 100 new-generation nuclear reactors for the electricity.
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See above comment about disruptions by green freaks. And change "tripled" to "quintupled".

Good luck with that.

The technical challenges, and even the market motivations needed, to achieving the things you describe, pale next to the political challenges.

In summary, two words: Forget it.
 
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dogtowner said:
they lowered the power requirements little or no difference in the battery.
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http://inventorspot.com/articles/hitachi_takes_lead_lithium_ion_battery_technology_27104

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2009/battery-material-0311.html

http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/news/news_detail.cfm/news_id=6273

But just keep pretending that electric cars unlike all other techs in the last 30 years...will not just keep getting better and cheaper....somehow they are magic and will resist the trends of just about everything else.
 

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