out of the shadows - amnesty is a civil right

[dogtowner]

well at least according to AG Holder

yes the premise that amnesty is a civil right is laughable but what really piqued my interest is this notion that illegals are someh9ow 'living in the shadows'.

Holder from a speech to the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund:

"Creating a pathway to earned citizenship for the 11 million unauthorized immigrants in this country is essential. The way we treat our friends and neighbors who are undocumented – by creating a mechanism for them to earn citizenship and move out of the shadows – transcends the issue of immigration status. This is a matter of civil and human rights. It is about who we are as a nation. And it goes to the core of our treasured American principle of equal opportunity."

I know that once upon a time in America illegals DID in fact live in the shadows because at that time, it was still treated by the government as being illegal.

I can't know how it is where you live but around here they are no more in the shadows than I am.

Why ? Because our government has generally chosen to view these criminals as not criminals.

This may end soon as its been ruled in court that they may not choose to do this but we'll have to see how this pans out. the administration has a habit of ignoring orders they dont care for.

 

[Cruella]

Everything is a civil right to these idiots. Next year it will be drugs, pedophilia and offing those inconvenient elderly parents.

 

[cashmcall]

Breaking the rule for one group means breaking it for all. Saying it's OK for people from Latin-American countries to break the law and/or be allowed to declare themselves residents under any circumstances means saying it's OK for everyone because that's how justice and the rule of law works. The process of becoming an American should be the same for all ethnicities.

If our borders are opened for one country of people, then there is no fairness, no blind justice, and no enforceable immigration law for anyone. The Hispanics can claim racism now, and they're being prodded on by our anti-American media and president, and in 10 years when it's another country like say, Iraq, they would be able to claim racism then too if we try to secure our borders, and there would be precedence for them to point out to prove their claim. We would officially be opening our country up to anyone from anywhere under all circumstances, and that's not safe or smart.
We need to remember that the law rules over us, not the whims of men. Laws are our security. We are a Republic, not a Democracy. And this country's rule of law is our haven against the Socialism that many countries are falling into. We have a right and a responsibility to expect immigrants to come through the front door instead of sneaking in under the radar. Immigrants need to make sure they learn to love and respect the fact that this country is great because it is ruled by law and not by men, and that the constitution is all we have to keep up from slavery and anarchy. It's equal justice, not empathetic justice for some and not for others.

We need to advocate for our borders to be secure and that the rules on immigration stay the same for everyone regardless of accusations of racism- immigrate legally by going through the process properly, or understand that you're undermining our ability to remain a country at all, and undermining our ability to vote with our feet and find safe havens from tyranny in this world.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

well at least according to AG Holder

yes the premise that amnesty is a civil right is laughable but what really piqued my interest is this notion that illegals are someh9ow 'living in the shadows'.

Holder from a speech to the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund:



I know that once upon a time in America illegals DID in fact live in the shadows because at that time, it was still treated by the government as being illegal.

I can't know how it is where you live but around here they are no more in the shadows than I am.

Why ? Because our government has generally chosen to view these criminals as not criminals.

This may end soon as its been ruled in court that they may not choose to do this but we'll have to see how this pans out. the administration has a habit of ignoring orders they dont care for.

Lets get those kids who crossed the border when they where 2! And lets pretend its rainbows and Unicorn land and that we can kick everyone out...live in the real world sometime.

 

[cashmcall]

I think most Americans know that the reason the liberals in the White House are making a push for amnesty is because they want to add millions of Democrat voters to their coffers. They're using the Hispanics for their own selfish reasons. But what if those potential new voters understood the real source of their problems- the Progressive agenda and entitlements. Consider that every argument against immigration and opening the gates has something or other to do with our inability to financially fund entitlement programs that immigrants often will take advantage of. Get rid of all entitlements ( ALL), special treatments, and liberal bad ideas for everybody, and I think most conservatives would be happy having the gates swing wide open. Sure, we would want to also make sure that great emphasis is put on learning English (which liberals are against because they seem to like keeping the Hispanics segregated), assimilating (which multiculturist liberals are against), and becoming a fruitful citizen as well (which Socialists seem to be against until they're in power and can force production), but what problem would any of us have with immigration if it didn't mean destroying the country financially through entitlements? The Liberals, Democrats, race-baiters, class-warfare inciters, and Progressives are the real problem. The idea of placing limits on immigration was inspired by the book of a eugenicist in the first place.

 

[dogtowner]

Lets get those kids who crossed the border when they where 2! And lets pretend its rainbows and Unicorn land and that we can kick everyone out...live in the real world sometime.

excellent ! you have managed to not speak to anything the OP was concerned with.

 

[Cruella]

I think most Americans know that the reason the liberals in the White House are making a push for amnesty is because they want to add millions of Democrat voters to their coffers.

That's for sure. If the illegals were sure to vote conservative, the Democrats would have tightened the border and been screaming about amnesty.