Paul Ryan Budget Debt cutter!

[Dr.Who]

if I make 100,000 a year...and spend 100,000 a year...then deceide to make less and only make 80,000 a year...I don't have debt.
Yes you drones...when you cut the money flow in...you do in fact have to pay for the damn thing in spending cuts or you have debt...Why is this so hard for you people?Its like 3rd grade math.

Also your point to as the merits of the programs is not a factor...as being for something does not mean being for a program...but then not paying for it...and then bitching about the debt.

Fight a war...spend huge amounts...lower taxes...bring in less money....debt goes up..its pretty fucking simple.

Your use of vocabulary is still convoluted but setting that aside the only reasonable thing to do is to cut spending. This is exactly what obama failed to do since clearly he wants increased spending and just may even wants the debt.

 

[GenSeneca]

if I make 100,000 a year...and spend 100,000 a year...then deceide to make less and only make 80,000 a year...I don't have debt.

Revenue gained through the taxation of income is not analogous to revenue generated by participating in the productive means that generate income, i.e. work.

Since Dr.Who doesn't watch videos, I'll transcribe the pertinent information:

Debate moderator Charlie Rose: "Bill Clinton in 1997 signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20% (down from 28%) and George Bush has taken that down to 15%. And in each instance, when the rate dropped, the revenues from the tax increased. The government took in more money. And in the 1980's, when the tax was increased, revenues went down... History shows that when you drop the capital gains tax, revenues go up."​

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Alright Pocket, time to test your 3rd grade math...

We have two stacks of silver dollars on a table, one is a small stack and the other much larger, you get a % from either stack and must choose which stack you want that percentage from. The small stack has 100 coins and you get to keep 28% of the coins while the larger stack has 200 coins but you can only keep 15% of them for yourself.

OK, 3rd grade math time:

28% of $100 is $28
15% of $200 is $30

Which stack of coins offers you more money? Are you smarter than a 3rd grader? I guess we'll soon find out.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Revenue gained through the taxation of income is not analogous to revenue generated by participating in the productive means that generate income, i.e. work.

Since Dr.Who doesn't watch videos, I'll transcribe the pertinent information:

Debate moderator Charlie Rose: "Bill Clinton in 1997 signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20% (down from 28%) and George Bush has taken that down to 15%. And in each instance, when the rate dropped, the revenues from the tax increased. The government took in more money. And in the 1980's, when the tax was increased, revenues went down... History shows that when you drop the capital gains tax, revenues go up."​

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Alright Pocket, time to test your 3rd grade math...

We have two stacks of silver dollars on a table, one is a small stack and the other much larger, you get a % from either stack and must choose which stack you want that percentage from. The small stack has 100 coins and you get to keep 28% of the coins while the larger stack has 200 coins but you can only keep 15% of them for yourself.

OK, 3rd grade math time:

28% of $100 is $28
15% of $200 is $30

Which stack of coins offers you more money? Are you smarter than a 3rd grader? I guess we'll soon find out.

News flash...15% of 200 is only bigger then 28% of 28..when it actually happens...and guess what...Bush lowered taxes...AND things are worse so less money being taxes...meaning DEBT But I know in your world, zero taxes will bring in the most amount of cash. Plus you only talked about one type of tax......Raise the taxes..and cut the loopholes, and put the tax cheats cough cough Mitt...in jail...then you will see some debt get paid off.


don't worry I know you realy don't give a shit about Debt..

Maybe in your little dream world 8 years of Republicans in the WH lowered debt..while they spent like crazy and lowed how much we took in...but it did not.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

I don’t know that he did or didn't, I was reading your post and going to look it up till the race bating vomit crap at the end then just got disgusted.

I will eventually look it up and you may be right on at least a few of the points, I won’t know till I look it up though.

I spent the last few minutes looking up his scandal divorce and his swinging open marriage because my friend saw it on the daily show and so it must be true. I’ll help that egg head then I’ll check out your accusations. Usually you have at least a bit of truth so there is probably something to see. I’m just disgusted with the race bating crap lefties pull when they don’t have real answers

its pretty easy to find out...and its all true. I even posted video of him begging to pass tarp. One day your going to figure out all the debt talk...its just talk from your republican politicians.

 

[Pandora]

its pretty easy to find out...and its all true. I even posted video of him begging to pass tarp. One day your going to figure out all the debt talk...its just talk from your republican politicians.

in many cases you are right, just because someone is a republican doesnt mean they are a conservative. I was not for tarp or any of that, I am not sure what his reasoning was for wanting it but just so you know

when you race bait it just makes some people not give a crap what else you are saying.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

in many cases you are right, just because someone is a republican doesnt mean they are a conservative. I was not for tarp or any of that, I am not sure what his reasoning was for wanting it but just so you know

when you race bait it just makes some people not give a crap what else you are saying.

you seem fine with the race bait from the right...

 

[Pandora]

you seem fine with the race bait from the right...

I dont like race baiting period though I dont usually see it from the right. Care to give some examples.

 

[Gipper]

News flash...15% of 200 is only bigger then 28% of 28../quote]


WOW!!! You got it right....problem is Gen gave you the answer. Gen you should not have done that. Let our beloved Strawman answer next time.

The rest of your post is gibberish and foolishness as usual.

 

[GenSeneca]

Bush lowered taxes...AND things are worse so less money being taxes...meaning DEBT

Revenue went UP and has gone up for 59 of the last 60 years regardless of tax rates, why? Because tax rates consistently bring in an average of 18% of GDP. So if revenue went UP, what caused that debt? Spending. Congress spent more money than it was bringing in through taxation. Government has a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

Plus you only talked about one type of tax......Raise the taxes..and cut the loopholes,

and put the tax cheats cough cough Mitt...in jail...then you will see some debt get paid off.

You guys really are desperate...

don't worry I know you realy don't give a shit about Debt..

Your "solution" to the spending problem in Washington is to raise taxes - Only on those evil rich bastards of course...

Maybe in your little dream world 8 years of Republicans in the WH lowered debt..while they spent like crazy and lowed how much we took in...but it did not.

The Republicans were terrible on spending. Then the Dems came into power in '06 and things went from bad to worse. Then your messiah was elected with a majority of dems in both houses and we've had Trillion plus dollar deficits ever since. Yes, Republicans were bad but your precious Dems have been much, much worse.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

I dont like race baiting period though I dont usually see it from the right. Care to give some examples.

I think you see it, you choose to pretend not to. When the Right race baits...you attack the left for calling them on it. for example steve ox here, who may as well just type with a white hood on. I have pointed it out before...you choose to ignore. I have him on ignore for the most part for some time now...But the whole Obama is a Muslim, From Keyna, not American...its drenched in racism and general ignorance.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Revenue went UP and has gone up for 59 of the last 60 years regardless of tax rates, why? Because tax rates consistently bring in an average of 18% of GDP. So if revenue went UP, what caused that debt? Spending. Congress spent more money than it was bringing in through taxation. Government has a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

You guys really are desperate...

Your "solution" to the spending problem in Washington is to raise taxes - Only on those evil rich bastards of course...

The Republicans were terrible on spending. Then the Dems came into power in '06 and things went from bad to worse. Then your messiah was elected with a majority of dems in both houses and we've had Trillion plus dollar deficits ever since. Yes, Republicans were bad but your precious Dems have been much, much worse.

Debts as a result mostly of the Economy that fell before he took office , but just ignore that...Debt going up based on spending put in place by your idiot party. Still paying for your parties unfunded wars, unfunded basically everything for 8 years, and 8 year tax cut. If you are so stupid as to think that Raising taxes does not bring in more cash, so be it. And just a idea for a hint to your little charts...Its called Inflation and Population growth. Last time we raised taxes...we actually had a surplus...odd how that happens...But of course your little Republicans just live in dream world where they want evrything...but then want people to pay less for it..and then act shocked when debt goes up and blame the guy who suggested paying for the damn thing in the first place who you bitched at for raising taxes.

They voted to build a new NFL stadium here...guess how they paid for it..Raised taxes...in your world I guess we should have lowered them and built it and then it would have cost less...Then again the pink sky in your world would look less manly for football outdoors.

 

[Pandora]

I think you see it, you choose to pretend not to. When the Right race baits...you attack the left for calling them on it. for example steve ox here, who may as well just type with a white hood on. I have pointed it out before...you choose to ignore. I have him on ignore for the most part for some time now...But the whole Obama is a Muslim, From Keyna, not American...its drenched in racism and general ignorance.

I have posted to steve ox about racist remarks as well, I do not ignore him but really, he isn’t the only person you are talking about, I am hoping you have a number of examples. I am talking about in general... people here, people on the news exc.





questioning if obama is born in Kenya is not racist, it’s based on years of him not showing a birth certificate and instead paying millions literally millions of dollars to have attorneys throw it out of court, It is based on him using a social security number from a state he has no connection to, and a selective service card that doesn’t look like anyone else's card even ones stamped the same year from the same city and state. It’s based on someone who worked 30 years in the Hawaii department of vital statistics saying his birth certificate is not legitimate. It’s based on him sealing his school records from kindergarten through his three colleges that he has never explained how he paid for it. At one point he did say student loans but he also bragged about being a c student who did drugs.... C student’s don’t get scholarships.



The questions about where he was born have nothing to do with race and everything to do with his refusal to be open and transparent about his past. It doesn’t matter that he is half black or not. Were he all white people would still question these things because he is so secretive about them. McCain is all white and there was a thorough investigation on where he was born and if he were eligible to become president because of the strange circumstances of his birth.



So again, do you have any real examples of how the right race bates? The closest I can think of is Trent Lott saying Strom Thermon would have been a good president then was fired for the remarks because telling a very old man something nice on his birthday is clearly racist!



I can give you a very long list of race bating on the left, if you think the right does it also then give me a real list.

 

[GenSeneca]

If you are so stupid as to think that Raising taxes does not bring in more cash, so be it.

The data shows that government's share of revenue has steadily been between 17% and 18% of GDP regardless of income tax rates. If you want to increase revenue, the best way to do it is by growing GDP. That's reality. It would be stupid of me to claim that these facts did not exist and ignore reality.

And just a idea for a hint to your little charts...Its called Inflation and Population growth.

Transcript from 1:11 in the video: "Adjusted for inflation and population growth, tax revenue today is three times what it was in the 1950's."

You should take something for that foot-in-mouth disease.

Last time we raised taxes...we actually had a surplus...odd how that happens...

First, there was never a surplus. Our national debt continued to grow during the time you believe a surplus existed.
Second, Welfare Reform reduced spending. Gee, we cut spending and didn't have huge deficits... Odd how that happens.
Third, our economy was booming from the dot com bubble - despite higher taxes, not because of them.

They voted to build a new NFL stadium here...guess how they paid for it..Raised taxes...

Good luck with that...