PRCalif State Assy passes ban on openly carrying gun, even if unloaded

[pocketfullofshells]

Geez pockets apparently you not only know nothing about Afghan, but also know nothing about your own country...assuming you are an American.

You need a history lesson, but somehow I don't think it will take. But, here goes...

Back in the late 18th century a bunch of farmers got together and whipped the worlds greatest military power at the time. It was called the American Revolution. And, when the leaders of the revolution got together and wrote a Constitution the second most important right they protected from government tyranny was the right to keep and bear arms.​

Now, I know you think those old white guys who won the revolution and wrote the constitution are nothing but a bunch of white dumb conservative crackers. But, like your idol BO likes to say, try to keep an open mind.

lol you still think its the 18th century....Guess what world changed while you where gone.

 

[Gipper]

lol you still think its the 18th century....Guess what world changed while you where gone.

Not much has really changed. There are still those who wish to take rights away from the people. Tyranny is still a problem and often is promoted by leftists today much like the King of England back then.

There are those who think the Constitution is antiquated and has no applicability today. These poor fools are so misguided, but we endure their constant efforts to impose socialism on us all.

No man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson, June 1776

The last, most important check on government abuse of individual rights is an armed populace. A written constitution requires somebody to enforce it. Any mechanism built into the government, such as Checks and Balances, can be eventually bypassed by a determined government. Ultimately, the only thing that can prevent the use of force is the threat or use of greater force. To this end, the people are the ultimate check on government.

Only an armed population has the ability to overthrow a tyrannical government. Governments are well aware of this. In every dictatorship, ownership of guns is outlawed to the general populace. Before the Nazis went about exterminating their Jewish population, they needed to disarm them first. A state treads carefully when the citizens are armed.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

not much has changed? lol you think the desperation of arms from the US to Brits then....vs random people in the street today and the US army is not 10000 times greater? really what planet are you on?

1770's Rifle vs M-16...and sniper rifles that can take someone out over a mile away, Cruise missiles....Predator drones...tanks....you really can't be soo dumb as to think the US reg population has even a snowballs change in hell against our Military if it wanted to.

 

[Gipper]

not much has changed? lol you think the desperation of arms from the US to Brits then....vs random people in the street today and the US army is not 10000 times greater? really what planet are you on?

1770's Rifle vs M-16...and sniper rifles that can take someone out over a mile away, Cruise missiles....Predator drones...tanks....you really can't be soo dumb as to think the US reg population has even a snowballs change in hell against our Military if it wanted to.

Apparently you also know nothing about the US military or human nature. You actually believe the US military is going to attack the American people using all of it's might. Massacring them. Really? And so, you conclude from this that all law abiding Americans should NOT have the right to keep and bear arms. I mean really???

Your ignorance is boundless...

 

[CoachV40]

So scotsman and Mr. Pocketsfull O'shells ( which I might add sounds like a very pro gun name, you may wanna change that).......allow me to ask 2 questions.

Yes or No answers is really all that will be needed!

Are you saying that I have no right nor need to be able to protect myself from a dangerous person, should there be no law enforcement around?

Do you think that if the Gov't bans guns that even "bad people" will give their guns up?

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Apparently you also know nothing about the US military or human nature. You actually believe the US military is going to attack the American people using all of it's might. Massacring them. Really? And so, you conclude from this that all law abiding Americans should NOT have the right to keep and bear arms. I mean really???

Your ignorance is boundless...

and I will guess that you can't read...since you did not read my posts before

You have the right...I said right here in the thread I could care less if you own a gun...but fact is the Idea of the Militia being needed ( as stated in the 2nd) is out of date and there is no Militia, and there is no need for people have to have a militia to protect itself from the government as many gun nutz suggest. If our government wants to say no more constitution, and has the military backing...all the "right to bear arms" in the world in the US is not going to help anyone...simple fact. I don't see that happening...but I am not a gun nut trying to build up illegal arms caches as well.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

So scotsman and Mr. Pocketsfull O'shells ( which I might add sounds like a very pro gun name, you may wanna change that).......allow me to ask 2 questions.

Yes or No answers is really all that will be needed!

Are you saying that I have no right nor need to be able to protect myself from a dangerous person, should there be no law enforcement around?

Do you think that if the Gov't bans guns that even "bad people" will give their guns up?

First I am pro gun, I could care less if you want to have a semi auto rifle..or feel some urge that you need a handgun to protect yourself....

I also know that by having a gun, your actually more likely to be killed by a gun then someone without on ( statistically...clearly some specific cases exist where this may no be the case)

Yes you have the right to defend yourself in no law enforcement is around...of course oddly I don't live in the world of fear some do where I feel I have to have a gun with at all times to be safe from the bad guys..Even if I am in some back ally and some guy pulls a gun on me for my wallet...and I am strapped...I am going to just give him the wallet...and being that I am not a drug dealer or anything with people out to kill me...I do just fine with no gun...oddly.

No bad people would not give up there guns...of course if a cop found one with one on them, its a easy way to lock them up for a few years...

 

[CoachV40]

First I am pro gun, I could care less if you want to have a semi auto rifle..or feel some urge that you need a handgun to protect yourself....

I also know that by having a gun, your actually more likely to be killed by a gun then someone without on ( statistically...clearly some specific cases exist where this may no be the case)

Yes you have the right to defend yourself in no law enforcement is around...of course oddly I don't live in the world of fear some do where I feel I have to have a gun with at all times to be safe from the bad guys..Even if I am in some back ally and some guy pulls a gun on me for my wallet...and I am strapped...I am going to just give him the wallet...and being that I am not a drug dealer or anything with people out to kill me...I do just fine with no gun...oddly.

No bad people would not give up there guns...of course if a cop found one with one on them, its a easy way to lock them up for a few years...

I can appreciate what your saying. Sadly in this day and time there are quite a few random acts of violence and I would never use my pistol unless it was absolutely necessary. I agree there are idiots that elevate situations into worse situations by flashing something they have no idea how to use. All that said I guess I just have a hard time supporting this law in a state where there is so much criminal activity.

 

[pocketfullofshells]

I can appreciate what your saying. Sadly in this day and time there are quite a few random acts of violence and I would never use my pistol unless it was absolutely necessary. I agree there are idiots that elevate situations into worse situations by flashing something they have no idea how to use. All that said I guess I just have a hard time supporting this law in a state where there is so much criminal activity.

I am guessing it will be shot down by the courts...But fact is there are limits to the right to bear arms...saying you can't own a hunting rifle would never fly..saying you can't have a ICBM or M-60...yea your going to lose that court case saying you have a right to them...

 

[Gipper]

and I will guess that you can't read...since you did not read my posts before

You have the right...I said right here in the thread I could care less if you own a gun...but fact is the Idea of the Militia being needed ( as stated in the 2nd) is out of date and there is no Militia, and there is no need for people have to have a militia to protect itself from the government as many gun nutz suggest. If our government wants to say no more constitution, and has the military backing...all the "right to bear arms" in the world in the US is not going to help anyone...simple fact. I don't see that happening...but I am not a gun nut trying to build up illegal arms caches as well.

Then what the hell are you arguing???

An armed populace is one of the best ways to control government tyranny. This has always been the case throughout history. The US military is not going to massacre the American people if the people raise up and fight liberal tyranny.

Why do you think liberal politicians want to take guns from law abiding citizens? Of course, the answer is to impose their tyrannical ideology.

This from the great John Lott...

"Gun owners might not feel besieged right now, but they should be very concerned. [Recently] the Obama administration announced its support for the UN Small Arms Treaty. This treaty poses real risks for freedom and safety in the United States as well as the rest of the world. According to the U.N., guns used in armed conflicts cause 300,000 deaths worldwide every year. Their proposed solution is a simple one. Keep rebels from getting guns by requiring that countries 'prevent, combat and eradicate' what those countries define as 'the illicit trade in small arms.' The UN's solution isn't too surprising when one looks at the long list of notorious totalitarian regimes, such as Syria, Cuba, Rwanda, Vietnam, Zimbabwe, and Sierra Leone, which support these 'reforms.' But not all insurgencies are 'bad.' To ban providing guns to rebels in totalitarian countries is like arguing that there is never anything such as a just war. ... Political scientist Rudy Rummel estimates that 262 million people were murdered by their own government during the last century -- that is 2.6 million per year. {nearly all committed by left wing tyrannical governments, yet libs want more. Why? - Gipper} This includes genocide, the murder of people for political reasons, and mass murder. Even if all 300,000 deaths from armed conflicts can be blamed on the small arms trade, an obviously false claim, people have much more to worry about from their governments. ... The Small Arms Treaty is just a back door way for the Obama administration trying to force through gun control regulations. With the huge standing ovation that House and Senate Democrats recently gave Mexican President Calderon for his advocacy of a new so-called 'Assault Weapons Ban,' Americans who care about self-defense have been put on notice." --economist John Lott

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Then what the hell are you arguing???

An armed populace is one of the best ways to control government tyranny. This has always been the case throughout history. The US military is not going to massacre the American people if the people raise up and fight liberal tyranny.

Why do you think liberal politicians want to take guns from law abiding citizens? Of course, the answer is to impose their tyrannical ideology.

This from the great John Lott...

So your saying there is no need then

A: the Military would never hurt its own people...thus we don't need guns to protect from the Government as the guns of the government of the Military..

B:More bull about "liberal Tyranny" again you seem to hate the Idea of Democracy...where we Elected Liberal...to do...Liberal things....I know its a hard concept for you to understand....doing what the people want ( just because the tea party wants, does not mean its what American wants)

C. You sound like a Paranoid crazy person....just the type of nut that scares people with a gun...and makes pro gun people look and sound like retards.

D: and of course, not once did you actuly say anything that disproves my point...only proved it more ...thanks

 

[Gipper]

So your saying there is no need then

A: the Military would never hurt its own people...thus we don't need guns to protect from the Government as the guns of the government of the Military..

B:More bull about "liberal Tyranny" again you seem to hate the Idea of Democracy...where we Elected Liberal...to do...Liberal things....I know its a hard concept for you to understand....doing what the people want ( just because the tea party wants, does not mean its what American wants)

C. You sound like a Paranoid crazy person....just the type of nut that scares people with a gun...and makes pro gun people look and sound like retards.

D: and of course, not once did you actuly say anything that disproves my point...only proved it more ...thanks

Its not just me. Do you know John Lott? Have you read the writings of the American Founding Fathers and many others on this topic??? You believe it can't happen in America. I believe it can and will if your ideology is allowed to flourish.

Here read this again...

"Gun owners might not feel besieged right now, but they should be very concerned. [Recently] the Obama administration announced its support for the UN Small Arms Treaty. This treaty poses real risks for freedom and safety in the United States as well as the rest of the world. According to the U.N., guns used in armed conflicts cause 300,000 deaths worldwide every year. Their proposed solution is a simple one. Keep rebels from getting guns by requiring that countries 'prevent, combat and eradicate' what those countries define as 'the illicit trade in small arms.' The UN's solution isn't too surprising when one looks at the long list of notorious totalitarian regimes, such as Syria, Cuba, Rwanda, Vietnam, Zimbabwe, and Sierra Leone, which support these 'reforms.' But not all insurgencies are 'bad.' To ban providing guns to rebels in totalitarian countries is like arguing that there is never anything such as a just war. ... Political scientist Rudy Rummel estimates that 262 million people were murdered by their own government during the last century -- that is 2.6 million per year. {nearly all committed by left wing tyrannical governments, yet libs want more. Why? - Gipper} This includes genocide, the murder of people for political reasons, and mass murder. Even if all 300,000 deaths from armed conflicts can be blamed on the small arms trade, an obviously false claim, people have much more to worry about from their governments. ... The Small Arms Treaty is just a back door way for the Obama administration trying to force through gun control regulations. With the huge standing ovation that House and Senate Democrats recently gave Mexican President Calderon for his advocacy of a new so-called 'Assault Weapons Ban,' Americans who care about self-defense have been put on notice." --economist John Lott

 

[pocketfullofshells]

Its not just me. Do you know John Lott? Have you read the writings of the American Founding Fathers and many others on this topic??? You believe it can't happen in America. I believe it can and will if your ideology is allowed to flourish.

Here read this again...

bla bla bla, you notice that you keep saying it would never happen, and then it could happen , and then it could never happen, then it could again?

YOU WILL NEVER WIN A WAR AGAINST THE US MILITARY
if the US military does not back it, then who is that you fear so much ? I forget, its Obamas black ops teams out to get you...get your tin foil hat ready!

and I hate to break this little point to you, but the founding fathers would never guess that any nation could hold the firepower and military power of the Current US...The idea that whole cities could and would be wiped out in seconds by 1 bomb...Sniper Rifles that can kill at a mile and a half...F-22 fighters....Black Hawks.......and of course your going to do what ...shoot your little hunting rifle at the government to defend yourself? ooo your 9mm?

 

[CoachV40]

.......and of course your going to do what ...shoot your little hunting rifle at the government to defend yourself? ooo your 9mm?

Well in this particular scenario your gonna need something bigger at least a few assault rifles!

 

[Gipper]

bla bla bla, you notice that you keep saying it would never happen, and then it could happen , and then it could never happen, then it could again?

YOU WILL NEVER WIN A WAR AGAINST THE US MILITARY
if the US military does not back it, then who is that you fear so much ? I forget, its Obamas black ops teams out to get you...get your tin foil hat ready!

and I hate to break this little point to you, but the founding fathers would never guess that any nation could hold the firepower and military power of the Current US...The idea that whole cities could and would be wiped out in seconds by 1 bomb...Sniper Rifles that can kill at a mile and a half...F-22 fighters....Black Hawks.......and of course your going to do what ...shoot your little hunting rifle at the government to defend yourself? ooo your 9mm?

What will NEVER happen is the US military massacring the American people. That was one of my points.

What will happen here is leftist politicians demanding we give up their arms so they can impose their tyrannical will upon us. As has happened in many western nations such as UK, Aussie, New Zealand, etc. That will happen here if not stopped. You think it will not happen here. Yes?

Thirdly, as many great man have stated over the ages, an armed populace is the one of the best prevention against tyrants.