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Just because we cannot at THIS moment measure the mass/energy/whatever doesn't mean that it isn't there to be measured. It's a process of discovery.  Philosophy is also a journey of discovery.  Theology doesn't appear to be for most of the religious folks I've run across, almost all of them claim to already be in possession of God's Ultimate Truth--no process of discovery there, huh?


So, Numi, why you arguing religion now when you are eschewing it on the homosexual thread?  I suspected that you were a religious person flying stealth on the homosexual thread, but you indicated that wasn't true--which is it Numi?


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