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Had I felt like continuing the game, I was going to bring the following sources forward which state explicitly that heat is not a form of energy:
Quantum: Einstein, Bohr, and the Great Debate about the ... - Page 388
Principles of Physics: A Calculus-Based Text - Volume 1 - Page 171
Materials for Energy Efficiency and Thermal Comfort in Buildings
Fundamentals of Atmospheric Modeling - Page 29
Foundations of Bioenergetics - Page 27
Entropy for Biologists: An Introduction to Thermodynamics - Page 29
Physics for Scientists and Engineers with Modern Physics - Page 213
Theoretical Physics: Second Edition - Page 514
Matter and energy - Volume 2 - Page 111
Physics in the Soviet Union: an exposition of theoretical ... - Page 514
And I am sure that true to form, you would have brought some more credible sources stating that heat is a form of energy and would have been willing to play the game ad nauseum having no idea what the "game" really was. I stated early on that science doesn't really know as much as you seem to believe it does. To prove the point, I chose something very basic...heat....surely science knows what heat is...right? As it turns out, science doesn't know what heat is and your faith in science is so strong that you can't even open your eyes to the fact that science does not, in fact, know what heat is. There still exists a vigorous debate over what heat is within science as we have proven beyond any doubt.
Stop being such an asshole and use your brain. If science remains in the dark as to what something so basic as heat is....how can it possibly "know" the things you give it credit for knowing. Stop believing in science as if it were knowledge handed down from the mountain top. You are a product of post modern education....learn that and what it means. You weren't taught critical thinking....you weren't taught that your opponent might be right and that it is possible that even though your opponent might be wrong he could still be proving you wrong...which is exactly what has happened here. I can't say with any real certainty that heat is not a form of energy any more than you can say with any certainty that it is. All those fine, exceedingly credible sources we both provided think they know and apparently are unaware that they don't. One side is right and the other is not but today, 14 years into the 21'st century we don't know which is which and everything that stems from that basic bit of knowledge remains up in the air....which is the whole of thermodynamics and the entirety of QM.
What does this mean to climate change? First, the models are wrong...they have been spectacularly wrong. The physics used to describe the greenhouse effect can't even come close to predicting the temperature of any other planet in the solar system with an atmosphere, they can't even predict the temperature of earth without constant tweaking and data adjustments. There has been no warming for going on 20 years now while atmospheric CO2 has continued to increase. Exactly the opposite of the model predictions...in fact, damned near everything we see in the climate today is the opposite of what the models predicted from the growing ice in the Antarctic, to the fact that the Arctic was not ice free in 2013. Fewer hurricanes, fewer tornadoes, less severe drought, heavier snows, and on and on and on.
Observation tells us that climate science got it wrong....but like the question of whether heat is a form of energy or not, your faith tells you that all information that disagrees with you, no matter where it comes from, or how credible it is, must be wrong. Even information readily available to you like observation. You believe the output of computer models over your own eyes....without question.
You are a person of faith....those who lived in the dark ages would applaud your fervor...you believe even when your eyes tell you otherwise. The inquisition would have passed you by without a second glance....you would have been held up as an exemplary example of what the faithful should be, and how they should act. You speak no evil, you hear no evil, and you see no evil. You remain sure in your faith no matter what.
So continue in that state if you like...or open your eyes and start asking questions. Learn some critical thinking skills...and don't be someone's patsy.....and try in the future not to get played as hard as I have just played you. When someone is giving you sources as credible as your own that are saying the opposite of what you believe, take a minute and wonder if what you are arguing about is something you believe, or do you in fact, know...and if you know, are you smarter than the credible sources that are saying the opposite. Do you have some knowledge that they don't? Use your brain every once in a while.
Thanks for playing.
