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Thanks for your summary.


I knew you would not take it too well when I showed that the SB equation you posted would be your own undoing: Radiation exchange depends only on absolute temperatures in the Stefan equation, rather than relative difference in temperature as you mistakenly think. Total, or net energy exchange of course, transfers only one way and depends on the relative difference in temperatures, thus preserving the second law of thermodynamics. That should make you happy, not sad. Cheer up.


Excuse me but science is very very sure what heat is. Just because you don't understand science, doesn't mean that scientists don't understand science.


Another failure on your part. My rectal sphincter muscle is not condescending. It humbly does its duty under the worst of circumstances.


Naw, you are describing religion here and not science, because scientists think all the time and bore their friends because of it. And scientist don't keep secrets unless it's company confidential. University scientists continually try to be first to update and publish new findings in thousands of science journals.


On the other hand religion keeps knowledge in sacred static books that seldom change such as the Bible, Koran, or the Kama Sutra, depending on your culture. Scientists, unlike theologians update their positions as new experiments come about. Speaking of updating positions, have you read the Kama Sutra? It discloses a lot of positions. It might be another learning moment for you.


Yeah, lots of your sources said the opposite of my sources and even your own sources contradict your other sources. Is this a source war?! I also googled what you posted, "heat is not a form of energy"and got a lot of hits. So I tried a little internet experiment. Below are phrases that I googled and the number of hits that were found by google. I'm not kidding. Try it.


"heat is not a form of energy". 22,400 hits. (You lose)

"heat is a form of energy" . . 825,000 hits. (I win 37:1)

"poop smells good". . . . . 82,300 hits. (Wins 40:1)

"poop smells bad". . . . . . 2,030 hits. (Loses 1:40)

"poop is heat" 8 hits. (Not significant with a +/- 2.8 uncertainty)

"heat is poop" 4 hits. (Not significant with a +/- 2.0 uncertainty)


What does all this mean? Can we really conclude that "poop smells good"? Can we conclude that the phrase, "poop smells good" is almost 4 times more true than "heat is not a form of energy"? Some people (you know who you are) might think that, but I don't.


I think kids and at least one adult these days think the internet is a substitute for knowledge and wisdom. Type in key words and immediately get the truth no matter the context or lack thereof.




There is no vigorous debate. Science is not confused. You are. Science says many things about "heat" which ultimately is just another word that needs definition. "Heat" means different things in different contexts. Any internet reference I have seen spells out the context. But you seldom saw the context and started bitter ranting because of that. Vehemence leads to stress related diseases. You should learn to chill out.


These are the meanings of various phrases that you had trouble with:

Flow of energy is used when hot and cold objects are in contact and the colder one warms up.

Flow of heat is used in the same context as above.

Form of energy is used when referring to the random internal kinetic energy of a substance.

Not a form of energy when heat is considered as method of transfer across a boundary.

Heat is not a substance when comparing it with phlogiston, a theory of the 1700's, or explaining heat to a tot.

Heat cannot spontaneously transfer from cold to hot is a universal law that applies to refrigerators and radiation.

Energy cannot spontaneously transfer from cold to hot only when applied to refrigerators, etc, but not to radiation.


Context clears misunderstanding about the meaning of words. Your problem is that you don't know enough about thermodynamics to understand what the context actually is. You cut and paste sentences almost as a conditioned reflex. You should learn some critical thinking skills and understand the context of what you read, and not just cut and paste phrases out of one context and put them in another.


A very poor metaphor. As soon as I would say the earth and planets go around the sun, it's off to the gallows for me.


Your arguments in this long thread can be summarized in two sentences:

(1) Lagboltz is a liar, asshole, patsy, fool, has a feeble mind, believes in post modern science fantasy, etc.

(2) Thermodynamics of refrigerators is sacred, but the rest of modern science sucks.


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