Socialist CEOs or Capitalist CEOs: Which is worse?

Andy

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Many are quick to complain about private sector CEOs who in the course of doing their job, earn lost of cash, and big salaries plus large bonuses.

But let's quickly look at a an example of a Socialist CEO. What is a socialist CEO? Well companies have to have people in charge of them, regardless of who owns, or controls by proxy the company.

Over at Fannie Mae, a company created and sponsored by our federal government, there has been Frank Raines, Jamie Gorelick, and Jim Johnson.

Jim A Johnson worked for the US Senate, then worked for Walter Mandel during the Carter adminstration, worked for Mandel again during his presidential run, worked for John Kerry during his presidential run, and finely worked for Obama during his VP-selection process. However, during the Clinton years, he served as CEO for Fannie Mae from 91-98.

Jamie Gorelick served the U.S. Secretary of Energy under Carter, was later general of the Department of Defense under Clinton, and appointed Deputy Attorney General of the United States. Finely from 1997 to 2003, Clinton appointed her vice-chairmen of Fannie Mae even though she had no training, nor experience in finances.

Frank Raines worked for Carter as associate director for economics and government in the Office of Management and Budget and assistant director of the White House Domestic Policy Staff. Then in 1991 he became vice-chairmen of Fannie Mae, which he left to join the Clinton administration as the Director of the U.S. Office of Management and Budget until 1999 where he returned back to Fannie Mae as CEO.

Point: all three are politicians. All are socialists in charge of a government sponsored company. So I ask you, those who are liberals, is a socialist CEO better than a capitalist CEO? After hearing the shrieking over Enron, and the complaining about oil CEOs taking home large checks, let's see how the Socialist CEOs did, after all, someone's going to run the company in either situation.

Gorelick chirped to Business Week in 2002 that Fannie Mae "is among the handful of top-quality institutions." In 2003 news came out that Fannie Mae failed to report over $9 Billion in losses. Further, Gorelick recieved $779 Thousand for cooked accounting books that allowed for a executive bonus. Gorelick left in 2003, with all her money.

James A Johnson was found to have also improperly deferred over $200 Million in company expenses. Johnson, who is implicated in cooking the Fannie Mae books in order to secure the executive bonus, also apparently understated his own salary reported to be $6 to $7 Million for his 7 years of service. Later it was discovered his pay-out was actually about $21 Million, which divided by 7 years is $3 Million a year in salary, not including the $1.9 Million bonus from cooking the books.

Finely Frank Raines, who currently advises Obama on economic policy, was given $20 Million dollars in compensation for 2003 alone. Moreover, Raines $1.1 Million from the 1998 bonus scandal. Raines, with 3 other top Fannie Mae executives were ordered to pay back money, yet instead they used Fannie Mae's insurance policy to pay back the court ordered repayment.

And I love the quote below, where Raines claimed in 2004 that the reason Fannie Mae didn't have the required money set aside to pay for the loans it had out, was because these assets [loans] it has are risk less.

Conclusion:
So there it is. They made millions on millions, violated accounting standards, misstated income and expenses, manipulated the numbers to get lavish bonuses, even understated their own income, and then after being caught, they used the companies insurance policy to pay off their fines... all on our tax paying expensive, while running the company into the ground causing a tax payer bailout.

No jail time. Bankrupt company. And now their back in politics as if nothing they did caused a problem.

Which is worse, CEO of a private corporation? Or a Socialist that is given our taxes on a silver platter?
 
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Great post Andy! :)

I just want to add a few things... Like the cover these people got through their political connections in Washington, the political contributions they made to their friends in Washington and the fact that Democrats are corrupt as hell and get away with it.... Because Democrat voters never seem to hold them accountable.

Democrat Barney Frank, Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee:
"These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis," Frank said. He added, "The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." --2003

Lets not forget Fannie and Freddies number one recipient of political donations, Chris Dodd - Chairman of the Senate Banking Committee.
Bush got involved in the effort personally, speaking out for the cause of reform: "Congress needs to pass legislation strengthening the independent regulator of government-sponsored enterprises like Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, so we can keep them focused on the mission to expand home ownership," he said in December. He even mentioned GSE reform in this year's State of the Union address.

How did Fannie and Freddie counter such efforts? They flooded Washington with lobbying dollars, doled out tens of thousands in political contributions and put offices in key congressional districts. Not surprisingly, these efforts worked. Leaders in Congress did not just balk at proposals to rein in Fannie and Freddie. They mocked the proposals as unserious and unnecessary.

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) said the following on Sept. 11, 2003: "We see entities that are fundamentally sound financially. . . . And even if there were a problem, the federal government doesn't bail them out."

Sen. Thomas Carper (D-Del.), later that year: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

As recently as last summer, when housing prices had clearly peaked and the mortgage market had started to seize up, Dodd called on Bush to "immediately reconsider his ill-advised" reform proposals. --WashingtonPost

Here's a string of corruption:

FRIENDLY CONFINES: Jefferson, who is awaiting trial on federal corruption charges, also has gotten a little help from his friends in Congress in filling his political war chest. At least 10 of his Democratic colleagues have ponied up more than $20,000 to help him get re-elected.

Topping the list are Rep. Charlie Rangel of New York, chairman of the powerful Ways and Means Committee, who gave the New Orleans Democrat $5,000.

Rangel found himself in hot water this week as the House Ethics Committee began an inquiry into his fundraising practices and personal finances. The same committee opened an investigation in June 2007 into allegations related to those in Jefferson's federal indictment.

Meanwhile, Rep. Carolyn Kilpatrick of Michigan, chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus, donated $4,300 to Jefferson. Kilpatrick is the mother of former Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, who resigned in September after pleading guilty to two federal felony counts of obstruction of justice.
Democrat Culture of Corruption pretending to represent "Honest Leadership"
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I'd say the Socialist CEO's are worse... They, and their corrupt allies in Washington, manage to avoid all responsibility for their actions.
 
You don't have socialist CEOs or parties or presidents in the US.

You either have right wing or extreme right wing versions of the above.

Your entire banking system is ****ed and it is the irresponsibility of the banks and the refusal of the Bush administration to step in and regulate that is causing this crisis.

And that is why Bush's ratings are continuing to nose dive and why McCain is viewed with suspicion as he changes his stance on the crisis with each wind direction change.

You can bellyache as much as you like but what is happening here is the unacceptable face of capitalism.
 
You don't have socialist CEOs or parties or presidents in the US.

You either have right wing or extreme right wing versions of the above.

Your entire banking system is ****ed and it is the irresponsibility of the banks and the refusal of the Bush administration to step in and regulate that is causing this crisis.

And that is why Bush's ratings are continuing to nose dive and why McCain is viewed with suspicion as he changes his stance on the crisis with each wind direction change.

You can bellyache as much as you like but what is happening here is the unacceptable face of capitalism.

And once again when faced with the facts and evidence, the Socialists blather on incoherently and try to play the misdirection game.

Give it up Dawkins, you Socialists are Dorian Gray, the whole world has seen your picture and it's not a pretty sight.
 
If you think you have socialist governments or CEOs in the USA you are proving yourself to be somehwat ignorant of socialism and US politics.

But then the US population has been brainwashed about socialism to justify attacking Governments that tend to the left of centre and look after their poor.

Not that any good christian American would want to do that.

The way you talk about this subject makes you sound like a redneck.

Ignorant, bigoted, nasty and stupid.
 
If you think you have socialist governments or CEOs in the USA you are proving yourself to be somehwat ignorant of socialism and US politics.

But then the US population has been brainwashed about socialism to justify attacking Governments that tend to the left of centre and look after their poor.

Not that any good christian American would want to do that.

The way you talk about this subject makes you sound like a redneck.

Ignorant, bigoted, nasty and stupid.

I see, so looking at the subject from the standpoint of facts, evidence, and history, as opposed to through the very red lens of Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist mantra makes me "ignorant, bigoted, nasty and stupid"? I see, so when faced with the truth your response is ad hom attacks? Well, I'll take that as admission that you have nothing intelligent to add to the discussion.
 
There is a prize for anyone who can decode that

It was written in plain understandable English. Here's I'll say it another way...

We're looking at facts, evidence, history, and current day issues, and drawing conclusions. When presented this, you resort to lame, illogical, unsupportable hyperbole. (not to mention some laughable childish insults)

As always, you fail to make a point or a supportable statement. Thanks for playing, have a nice day.
 
You don't have socilaist CEOs or parties or presidents in the US.

You just call anyone who disagrees with you a socialist.

It is childish
 
In fact, the only kind of socialists you have in US Government and Commerce are national socialists

I think the word you're looking for is COMMUNIST. Yes, that has already been established, and we've also established that they're the ones that are responsible for this mess.
 
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