The Grid; DEAD-TECH!!!!

Mr. Shaman

Mr. Shaman

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We're gettin' one-component-CLOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!​

"In a modest building on the west side of Salt Lake City, a team of specialists in advanced materials and electrochemistry has produced what could be the single most important breakthrough for clean, alternative energy since Socrates first noted solar heating 2,400 years ago.

The prize is the culmination of 10 years of research and testing -- a new generation of deep-storage battery that's small enough, and safe enough, to sit in your basement and power your home.

Taking a load off the grid through electricity production and storage at home would extend the life of the system and avoid the expenditure of tens, or even hundreds, of billions to make it "smart."

Solar energy has been around, of course, but it's been prohibitively expensive. Now the cost is tumbling, driven by new thin-film chemistry and manufacturing techniques. Leaders in the field include companies like Arizona-based First Solar, which can paint solar cells onto glass; and Konarka, an upstart that purchased a defunct Polaroid film factory in New Bedford, Mass., and now plans to print cells onto rolls of flexible plastic."
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One MORE example of living in a PROGRESSIVE-Country!!!​
 
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Mr. Shaman said:
We're gettin' one-component-CLOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!



One MORE example of living in a PROGRESSIVE-Country!!!​
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I had this discussion with "Andy" some time ago when he said referring to cars, "We've went about as far a we can go with battery technology."

I tried to remind him that these little Nextel flip phones look and act a whole lot like a once sci-fi Star Trek "communicator" and those microwave ovens are kinda common now too.

But you know the "we can't do any better" crowd... let's nicely call them Republicants. They aren't big on change!:)
 
top gun said:
But you know the "we can't do any better" crowd... let's nicely call them Republicants. They aren't big on change!:) [/COLOR]
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'Tis true. "Good enough" works for them....'cause, there's no work, required!!!!​
 
top gun said:
I had this discussion with "Andy" some time ago when he said referring to cars, "We've went about as far a we can go with battery technology."

I tried to remind him that these little Nextel flip phones look and act a whole lot like a once sci-fi Star Trek "communicator" and those microwave ovens are kinda common now too.

But you know the "we can't do any better" crowd... let's nicely call them Republicants. They aren't big on change!:)
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Package it and make it economically viable in the private market and you will see everyone supporting the idea. No one opposes change, it is mandated change that is not sustainable in the private market that we oppose.
 
Well, what I was referring to is the availability of the necessary materials. "Rare Earths" aren't called that for no reason... In any case, I don't have anything against innovation, I even had a high-technology patent myself that really works. The problems so far for solar (specifically photo-voltaics) and for wind, apparently, is the actual quantity of the stuff to make them that is geologically commercially available, not to mention who owns what there is. It's not a pretty picture if you need 20 quadrillion BTU's replacement of primary energy production and you've got the stuff to only actually manage a 1% fraction of that (not real numbers but within an order of magnitude). A battery isn't of much value if you don't have anything to charge it with on the scale required. "In situ" is always a b!tch.
 
Pidgey said:
Well, what I was referring to is the availability of the necessary materials. "Rare Earths" aren't called that for no reason... In any case, I don't have anything against innovation, I even had a high-technology patent myself that really works. The problems so far for solar (specifically photo-voltaics) and for wind, apparently, is the actual quantity of the stuff to make them that is geologically commercially available, not to mention who owns what there is. It's not a pretty picture if you need 20 quadrillion BTU's replacement of primary energy production and you've got the stuff to only actually manage a 1% fraction of that (not real numbers but within an order of magnitude). A battery isn't of much value if you don't have anything to charge it with on the scale required. "In situ" is always a b!tch.
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You make a very good point. The renewable crowd fails to recognize that the power for all of the gadgets and electric cars has to come from somewhere and in the next 10 or 20 years it sure isn't going to be from Solar or Wind, so while we expand and improve those technologies let's realize that we need to work with what we have and make it more efficient and effective.
 
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