US forces scrambled to intercept Russian planes. Fortunately for the Russians the US will not shoot down any passenger jets like Russia did in 1983.

[mark francis]

Why Russia shot down a jetliner over international waters carrying who they thought was Jesse Helms on board remains a mystery. However, the heinous criminal act was carried out at a time when (it was discovered later) Ted Kennedy was asking his Russian pals for help in defeating Republicans in the coming 1984 election. Go figger.

Russian Warplanes Detected Flying Near Alaska, US Military Says

Nine U.S. aircraft scrambled to positively identify and intercept the Russian jets.

www.ntd.com

Russian Warplanes Detected Flying Near Alaska, US Military Says​

Nine U.S. aircraft scrambled to positively identify and intercept the Russian jets.

U.S. fighter jets scrambled to identify and intercept four Russian warplanes flying near Alaska, the North American Aerospace Defense Command said Thursday.

It's the third time in about a month and the ninth time this year NORAD has reported such an incident involving Russian aircraft flying near Alaska. This latest incident happened on Sept. 25.
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There Are Many Parallels Between The MH17 Crash And When Russia Shot Down A Civilian Airliner In 1983

The Soviets denied that one, too.

www.businessinsider.com

There Are Many Parallels Between The MH17 Crash And When Russia Shot Down A Civilian Airliner In 1983​

Evidence continues to mount linking Russia to the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, despite the country's denials and attempt to shift blame elsewhere. Russian President Vladimir Putin has blamed Ukraine, while pro-Russian militants have floated bizarre conspiracy theories.
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Ted Kennedy Secretly Asked The Soviets To Intervene In 1984 Elections

Progressives have accused GOP senators opposed to an Iran nuke deal of committing treason, but Ted Kennedy created the roadmap for treasonous meddling.

thefederalist.com

Ted Kennedy Secretly Asked The Soviets To Intervene In The 1984 Elections​

 

[Gabriel_Bell]

The US deliberately shot down an Iranian airliner.

 

[mark francis]

The US deliberately shot down an Iranian airliner.

So that somehow justifies the Russians shooting down an airliner with conservative republican politicians aboard?



Ted Kennedy’s Secret Appeal to Russia to Hurt Reagan

Ted Kennedy Made Secret Overtures to Russia to Prevent Ronald Reagan’s Re-Election

Kevin Mooney | December 14, 2016

Sen. Edward "Ted" Kennedy, left, greets President Jimmy Carter on Aug. 28, 1980, at a Boston airport. (Photo: Bryce Flynn/ZumaPress/Newscom)

Kevin Mooney@KevinMooneyDC

Kevin Mooney is an investigative reporter for The Daily Signal. Send an email to Kevin.

Sen. Edward “Ted” Kennedy had “selfish political and ideological motives” when he made secret overtures to the Soviet Union’s spy agency during the Cold War to thwart then-President Ronald Reagan’s re-election, a Reagan biographer said in an interview with The Daily Signal.

When they came to light years later, Kennedy’s secret contacts with the Russians through their KGB spy agency in the early 1980s didn’t cause nearly the tizzy that Russia’s alleged interference with this year’s election has for President-elect Donald Trump among liberal activists and reporters.

 

[Stalin]

this did not take place in international airspace..it was in the "Alaskan Air Defense Identification Zone" which is a fiction creates by the WarParty



as the comments in the article shows, us and russian pilots do this to each other all the time..sometimes even wave to each other

FAKE NEWS

comrade stalin
moscow

 

[mark francis]

this did not take place in international airspace..it was in the "Alaskan Air Defense Identification Zone" which is a fiction creates by the WarParty

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as the comments in the article shows, us and russian pilots do this to each other all the time..sometimes even wave to each other

FAKE NEWS

comrade stalin
moscow

The Korean jetliner with hundreds of innocent people on board was said to have strayed into Russian airspace but it was shot down over Japanese waters. There was no justification for such a barbaric act of savagery and no reason for it unless the airliner was specifically targeted by Russians for some reason, like an attempt to murder republican lawmakers at the behest of dirty American political pals.

 

[Stalin]

nice try

Aircraft from USS Midway and USS Enterprise repeatedly overflew Soviet military installations in the Kuril Islands during FleetEx '83 naval exercise (29 March to 17 April 1983) resulting in the dismissal or reprimanding of Soviet military officials who had been unable to shoot them down. On the Soviet side, RYAN was expanded. Lastly, there was a heightened alert around the Kamchatka Peninsula at the time that KAL 007 was in the vicinity, because of a Soviet missile test at the Kura Missile Test Range that was scheduled for the same day. A United States Air Force Boeing RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft flying in the area was monitoring the missile test off the peninsula.

At 15:51 UTC, according to Soviet sources, KAL 007 entered the restricted airspace of the Kamchatka Peninsula. The buffer zone extended 200 kilometres (120 mi; 110 nmi) from Kamchatka's coast and is known as a flight information region (FIR). The 100-kilometre (62 mi; 54 nmi) radius of the buffer zone nearest to Soviet territory had the additional designation of prohibited airspace. When KAL 007 was about 130 kilometres (81 mi; 70 nmi) from the Kamchatka coast, four MiG-23 fighters were scrambled to intercept the Boeing 747.

Significant command and control problems were experienced trying to vector the fast military jets onto the 747 before they ran out of fuel. In addition, the pursuit was made more difficult, according to Soviet Air Force Captain Aleksandr Zuyev, who defected to the West in 1989, because, ten days before, Arctic gales had knocked out the key warning radar on the Kamchatka Peninsula. Furthermore, he stated that local officials responsible for repairing the radar lied to Moscow, falsely reporting that they had successfully fixed the radar. Had this radar been operational, it would have enabled an intercept of the stray airliner roughly two hours earlier with plenty of time for proper identification as a civilian aircraft. Instead, the unidentified jetliner crossed over the Kamchatka Peninsula back into international airspace over the Sea of Okhotsk without being intercepted. In his explanation to 60 Minutes, Zuyev stated: "Some people lied to Moscow, trying to save their ass

The Commander of the Soviet Far East District Air Defense Forces, General Valeri Kamensky, was adamant that KAL 007 was to be destroyed even over neutral waters but only after positive identification showed it not to be a passenger plane. His subordinate, General Anatoly Kornukov, commander of Sokol Air Base and later to become commander of the Russian Air Force, insisted that there was no need to make positive identification as the intruder aircraft had already flown over the Kamchatka Peninsula.

General Kornukov (to Military District Headquarters-Gen. Kamensky): (5:47) "...simply destroy [it] even if it is over neutral waters? Are the orders to destroy it over neutral waters? Oh, well."
Kamensky: "We must find out, maybe it is some civilian craft or God knows who."
Kornukov: "What civilian? [It] has flown over Kamchatka! It [came] from the ocean without identification. I am giving the order to attack if it crosses the State border."

Units of the Soviet Air Defence Forces that had been tracking the South Korean aircraft for more than an hour while it entered and left Soviet airspace now classified the aircraft as a military target when it re-entered their airspace over Sakhalin. After a protracted ground-controlled interception, the three Su-15 fighters (from nearby Dolinsk-Sokol airbase) and the MiG-23 (from Smirnykh Air Base) managed to make visual contact with the Boeing, but, owing to the black of night, failed to make critical identification of the aircraft which Russian communications reveal. The pilot of the lead Su-15 fighter fired warning shots with its cannon, but recalled later in 1991, "I fired four bursts, more than 200 rounds. For all the good it did. After all, I was loaded with armor-piercing shells, not incendiary shells. It's doubtful whether anyone could see them.

At this point, KAL 007 contacted Tokyo Area Control Center, requesting clearance to ascend to a higher flight level for reasons of fuel economy; the request was granted, so the Boeing started to climb, gradually slowing as it exchanged speed for altitude. The decrease in speed caused the pursuing fighter to overshoot the Boeing and was interpreted by the Soviet pilot as an evasive maneuver. The order to shoot KAL 007 down was given as it was about to leave Soviet airspace for the second time. At around 18:26 UTC, under pressure from General Kornukov and ground controllers not to let the aircraft escape into international airspace, the lead fighter was able to move back into a position where it could fire two K-8 (NATO reporting name: AA-3 "Anab") missiles.

Korean Air Lines Flight 007 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

comrade stalin
moscow

Korean Air Lines Flight 007 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

comrade stalin
moscow

 

[Stalin]

dirty American political pals.

like who ????

comrade stalin
moscow

 

[mark francis]

like who ????

comrade stalin
moscow

Ted Kennedy was the dirty crook who asked his pals in the Kremlin to help him defeat Republicans in 1984.

 

[mark francis]

nice try

Aircraft from USS Midway and USS Enterprise repeatedly overflew Soviet military installations in the Kuril Islands during FleetEx '83 naval exercise (29 March to 17 April 1983) resulting in the dismissal or reprimanding of Soviet military officials who had been unable to shoot them down. On the Soviet side, RYAN was expanded. Lastly, there was a heightened alert around the Kamchatka Peninsula at the time that KAL 007 was in the vicinity, because of a Soviet missile test at the Kura Missile Test Range that was scheduled for the same day. A United States Air Force Boeing RC-135 reconnaissance aircraft flying in the area was monitoring the missile test off the peninsula.

At 15:51 UTC, according to Soviet sources, KAL 007 entered the restricted airspace of the Kamchatka Peninsula. The buffer zone extended 200 kilometres (120 mi; 110 nmi) from Kamchatka's coast and is known as a flight information region (FIR). The 100-kilometre (62 mi; 54 nmi) radius of the buffer zone nearest to Soviet territory had the additional designation of prohibited airspace. When KAL 007 was about 130 kilometres (81 mi; 70 nmi) from the Kamchatka coast, four MiG-23 fighters were scrambled to intercept the Boeing 747.

Significant command and control problems were experienced trying to vector the fast military jets onto the 747 before they ran out of fuel. In addition, the pursuit was made more difficult, according to Soviet Air Force Captain Aleksandr Zuyev, who defected to the West in 1989, because, ten days before, Arctic gales had knocked out the key warning radar on the Kamchatka Peninsula. Furthermore, he stated that local officials responsible for repairing the radar lied to Moscow, falsely reporting that they had successfully fixed the radar. Had this radar been operational, it would have enabled an intercept of the stray airliner roughly two hours earlier with plenty of time for proper identification as a civilian aircraft. Instead, the unidentified jetliner crossed over the Kamchatka Peninsula back into international airspace over the Sea of Okhotsk without being intercepted. In his explanation to 60 Minutes, Zuyev stated: "Some people lied to Moscow, trying to save their ass

The Commander of the Soviet Far East District Air Defense Forces, General Valeri Kamensky, was adamant that KAL 007 was to be destroyed even over neutral waters but only after positive identification showed it not to be a passenger plane. His subordinate, General Anatoly Kornukov, commander of Sokol Air Base and later to become commander of the Russian Air Force, insisted that there was no need to make positive identification as the intruder aircraft had already flown over the Kamchatka Peninsula.




Units of the Soviet Air Defence Forces that had been tracking the South Korean aircraft for more than an hour while it entered and left Soviet airspace now classified the aircraft as a military target when it re-entered their airspace over Sakhalin. After a protracted ground-controlled interception, the three Su-15 fighters (from nearby Dolinsk-Sokol airbase) and the MiG-23 (from Smirnykh Air Base) managed to make visual contact with the Boeing, but, owing to the black of night, failed to make critical identification of the aircraft which Russian communications reveal. The pilot of the lead Su-15 fighter fired warning shots with its cannon, but recalled later in 1991, "I fired four bursts, more than 200 rounds. For all the good it did. After all, I was loaded with armor-piercing shells, not incendiary shells. It's doubtful whether anyone could see them.

At this point, KAL 007 contacted Tokyo Area Control Center, requesting clearance to ascend to a higher flight level for reasons of fuel economy; the request was granted, so the Boeing started to climb, gradually slowing as it exchanged speed for altitude. The decrease in speed caused the pursuing fighter to overshoot the Boeing and was interpreted by the Soviet pilot as an evasive maneuver. The order to shoot KAL 007 down was given as it was about to leave Soviet airspace for the second time. At around 18:26 UTC, under pressure from General Kornukov and ground controllers not to let the aircraft escape into international airspace, the lead fighter was able to move back into a position where it could fire two K-8 (NATO reporting name: AA-3 "Anab") missiles.

Korean Air Lines Flight 007 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

comrade stalin
moscow

Korean Air Lines Flight 007 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

comrade stalin
moscow

There was no excuse for Russia shooting down a civilian airliner over open waters no matter how many details they try to cloud the issue with.

 

[Gabriel_Bell]

There was no excuse for the Navy to blow up those boats in international waters. They were not big enough to hold enough fuel to reach the USA, and posed no threat to anyone in the US. They could have boarded it, after all. And sure, the Russians, the North Koreans and other have also shot down airliners. And of course it is always illegal and wrong.

 

[mark francis]

There was no excuse for the Navy to blow up those boats in international waters. They were not big enough to hold enough fuel to reach the USA, and posed no threat to anyone in the US. They could have boarded it, after all. And sure, the Russians, the North Koreans and other have also shot down airliners. And of course it is always illegal and wrong.

Democrats: Boo-hoo-hoo. Trump is not only deporting illegal alien criminals he is now cutting off our supplies to Venezuelan smack.

 

[Stalin]

Ted Kennedy was the dirty crook who asked his pals in the Kremlin to help him defeat Republicans in 1984.

prove it

comrade stalin'
moscow

 

[mark francis]

prove it

comrade stalin'
moscow

Ted Kennedy Secretly Asked The Soviets To Intervene In 1984 Elections

Ted Kennedy Secretly Asked The Soviets To Intervene In The 1984 Elections

By: Sean Davis

March 10, 2015

Progressives have accused GOP senators opposed to an Iran nuke deal of committing treason, but Ted Kennedy created the roadmap for treasonous meddling. ...
According to Soviet documents unearthed in the early 1990’s, Kennedy literally asked the Soviets, avowed enemies of the U.S., to intervene on behalf of the Democratic party in the 1984 elections. Kennedy’s communist communique was so secret that it was not discovered until 1991, eight years after Kennedy had initiated his Soviet gambit:

Picking his way through the Soviet archives that Boris Yeltsin had just thrown open, in 1991 Tim Sebastian, a reporter for the London Times, came across an arresting memorandum. Composed in 1983 by Victor Chebrikov, the top man at the KGB, the memorandum was addressed to Yuri Andropov, the top man in the entire USSR. The subject: Sen. Edward Kennedy.

“On 9-10 May of this year,” the May 14 memorandum explained, “Sen. Edward Kennedy’s close friend and trusted confidant [John] Tunney was in Moscow.” (Tunney was Kennedy’s law school roommate and a former Democratic senator from California.) “The senator charged Tunney to convey the following message, through confidential contacts, to the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Y. Andropov.”

Kennedy’s message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. “The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations,” the memorandum stated. “These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign.”

Kennedy made Andropov a couple of specific offers.

First he offered to visit Moscow. “The main purpose of the meeting, according to the senator, would be to arm Soviet officials with explanations regarding problems of nuclear disarmament so they may be better prepared and more convincing during appearances in the USA.” Kennedy would help the Soviets deal with Reagan by telling them how to brush up their propaganda.

Then he offered to make it possible for Andropov to sit down for a few interviews on American television. “A direct appeal … to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. … If the proposal is recognized as worthy, then Kennedy and his friends will bring about suitable steps to have representatives of the largest television companies in the USA contact Y.V. Andropov for an invitation to Moscow for the interviews. … The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side.”

Kennedy would make certain the networks gave Andropov air time–and that they rigged the arrangement to look like honest journalism.

You can read the full KGB memo detailing Kennedy’s secret letter and request for electoral intervention here.

 

[Stalin]

no link leads to sunstance

a fake for sure

comrade stalin
moscow

 

[mark francis]

no link leads to sunstance

a fake for sure

comrade stalin
moscow

Democrats show everyone that their bias will not allow them to accept clearly documented and verified facts they do not want to believe.