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For the first time in 72 years the Stockton Record endorses a Democrat

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Popeye, Sep 29, 2008.

  1. Popeye

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    Noteworthy in that the last time this paper endorsed a Democrat was FDR in 1936. I also think something like this is symbolic of the change that is taking place this election.

    http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080928/A_NEWS0801/809280302/-1/A_NEWS06

    http://www.lewiscountybuzz.com/showthread.php?t=8886
     
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    Sounds like McCain's had his (oven) chips
     
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    Big deal - the 62 largest city in the US. That newspaper, like many newspapers, has changed ownership many times in its existence, the editorial is just a reflection of the opinion of the owners - what party it has supported during that long period is just a matter of random chance. The editorial above is so stupid and boilerplate that my guess is it has lib owners now.
     
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    All the Conventions are over. People are growing increasingly tired of Grampy & Tina Fey and the Hail Mary grandstand plays that always peter out to be nothing of substance.

    The debates will increase trends to Obama & Biden. It's all very good news for our country that Americans are paying attention.



    RCP Average 09/21 - 09/28 -- 47.9 43.3 >> Obama +4.6
    Gallup Tracking 09/26 - 09/28 2732 RV 50 42 >>>>>>>> Obama +8
    Rasmussen Tracking 09/26 - 09/28 3000 LV 50 45 >>>>>> Obama +5
    Hotline/FD Tracking 09/26 - 09/28 903 RV 47 42 >>>>>>>> Obama +5
    GW/Battleground Tracking 09/22 - 09/28 1000 LV 46 48 >> McCain +2
    CBS News/NY Times 09/21 - 09/24 LV 48 43 >>>>>>>>>>> Obama +5
    FOX News 09/22 - 09/23 900 RV 45 39 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama +6
    Marist 09/22 - 09/23 689 LV 49 44 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama +5
     
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    If he goes up by ten Ill start to worry..but then Ill be excited too. There is a part of me that wants him to win. I know he will be as good of a president as Pelosi is a whip and 4 years of pain is worth knowing that something worth waiting for is coming.

    But the part of me that doesnt want the pain does get scared, once he hits a ten point lead.
     
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    Seems the Stockton Record was purchased by Ottaway Community Newspapers in 2003. Mike Klocke has been the paper's editor since 2004:

    http://blogs.recordnet.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?webtag=sr-mklocke

    Views change, names stay the same. Just a look at the shift in the roles of the two major political parties over the last century and a half. If you'd suggested to anyone in 1860 that someday the majority of the South would vote for the Republican Party they'd either laugh at you or hang you - possibly both.
     
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    I'm not surprised. Jimmy Carter and Walter Mandel were both hailed by the media, and declared their picks. Jimmy led Reagan 52 to 38, and Walter led Reagan 47 to 41.

    Both were land slide victories for Reagan. Carter ended up with a whooping 6 states. Walter Mandel got a laughable 1 state in the union.

    Fact is, polls can be manipulated, and fairly easy to. In the book "off with their heads", they detail how consistently polls were slanted. Leading questions, weighted answers, limited samples.

    For the conservatives, or more likely, the anti-obama crowd, you should take this information as an encouragement. If they had endorsed McCain, that would freak me out more than this. Forget the polls and what lame news papers claim to support. Remember the only poll that counts is the votes you cast.
     
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    Excellent advice. The only thing staring at poll numbers all day will do for you is give you a headache. Not to mention giving the rest of us headaches as we try to sift through all the "my numbers are more accurate than your numbers!" posts, trying to see if there's any substance anywhere.
     
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    Well in Oregon its not who votes, its who counts the votes. We have some seriously currupt voting here. Its very very sad
     
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    Translation: you don't like the fact that Oregon has supported Democrats in the last 5 elections...going on 6.
     
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    We are 7 electoral votes, it doesnt matter who we go for. But the voter fraud is really bad here. It is not a big deal with the presidential election because we have so few electoral votes but when it comes to senate, congress, mayor and gov it matters a whole lot.

    I wouldnt like voter fraud if it was done by republicans either.
     
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    I think I mentioned this the other day but it bears repeating...Oregon's 7 electoral votes combined with WA's 11 gives our 2 states that always vote alike a combined 18. Together we are a good sized battleground state.. Ohio has 20, PA 21, NC 15, VA 13. It matters who we vote for, if McCain controlled the NW this race would be completely different.
     
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    Well now I am just more mad about the voter fraud. :)


    and I think you said that you guys were going to vote by mail too. If you do yours the way we did ours, then you will have curruption also.
     
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