1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Discuss politics - join our community by registering for free here! HOP - the political discussion forum

Foreign money for obama?

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Libsmasher, Nov 15, 2008.

  1. Libsmasher

    Libsmasher New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2008
    Messages:
    3,151
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I'm not the first to think of this, but I wonder if there is any way of finding out whether the obama campaign got foreign contributions. Obviously, there are malevolent forces in the middle east who will have achieved some of their goals in the easiest way possible by his election.
     
  2. Pandora

    Pandora Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2008
    Messages:
    11,790
    Likes Received:
    257
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    The people's republic of Eugene
    yes he got tons, when it was pointed out he always sent it back. Once case a middle eastern group had sent money, he said he sent it back. When a reporter asked the group did you get the money, they said no but that could be it had not gotten there yet or something

    there were a number of times that people who were really non people sent in money, and also money from over seas and the middle east exc.

    I am just sick that they refuse to audit him, but they are McCain. This country is becoming a joke.
     
  3. The Scotsman

    The Scotsman Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,682
    Likes Received:
    328
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    South of the Haggis Munching Line
    ........we had a recent issue with one of our senior Conservative Party MPs soliciting for party contributions from rich Russian olygarchs......he got slapped on the knuckles and told not to do it again.....
     
  4. Mr. Shaman

    Mr. Shaman New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2007
    Messages:
    7,829
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    0
    He should prbably check with The Governor Of Mississippi (well-versed on the process)....you know, the guy who got so-many of the Katrina-Intended Buck$.....so he and Lil' Dumbya could "sit on his front-porch" and watch Louisianna fight for what's left-over.
     
  5. XCALIDEM

    XCALIDEM Active Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2008
    Messages:
    1,052
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    38
    YOU ARE NOT ALONE, THE TRUTH IS OUTTHERE!!! :rolleyes:
     
  6. Libsmasher

    Libsmasher New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2008
    Messages:
    3,151
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It's out there, but just like every other questionable thing about obama, the lib media is too busy cheerleading for him to worry about anything so humdrum as journalism. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Cookie Parker

    Cookie Parker New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2007
    Messages:
    122
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    On the otherhand, here's McCains foreign money contributors...

    http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/bill-conroy/2008/09/did-mccain-presidential-campaign-violate-finance-laws-southeast-asia-tr

    However, despite several phone calls and e-mail queries to the McCain campaign headquarters by Narco News over the past couple weeks, and promises by his staffers that a response would be provided, no one from the McCain camp, to date, has offered an explanation for the following campaign expenditures registered on July 1 and 2 of this year, as reported to the FEC (link here).

    Air Flights
    Expenses dispersed July 1, 2008:



    Thai Airways International: $741.80

    British Airways: $1,549.15

    Expenses dispersed July 2, 2008

    Air Singapore: $7,335.42

    British Airways: $2,690.56

    Hotel Stays

    Expenses dispersed July 2, 2008

    Vinpers Resort Spa, Khanh Hoa Vietnam: $498.75

    [Note: Khanh Hoa is a province of Vietnam; its capital is Nha Trang.]

    Caravelle Hotel, Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam: $539.87

    Raffles Hotel, Singapore: $1,418.91

    Also of note is a $160 expense dispersed on July 2, 2008, to the Department of State marked as a "travel" expense.

    There is no record of John McCain making a campaign visit to Singapore or Vietnam during his presidential bid through July 2. Fox News reported on June 24 that McCain was scheduled to visit Colombia in early July [a trip he did make that coincided with the miraculous rescue of American hostages held by Colombia's leftist guerilla group the FARC]. McCain's campaign staff reports, according to Fox News, that as a candidate McCain has made prior overseas visits to Iraq, Kuwait, France, Germany, Switzerland, Pakistan, Jordan, Israel, the United Kingdom and Canada.

    But, again, no mention of Vietnam or Singapore.

    FEC regulations prohibit a candidate from paying for travel expenses out of campaign funds, according to Mary Brandenberger, an FEC spokesperson, if those expenses would not have existed "absent the campaign."

    The specific FEC regulations related to campaign travel expenses state the following:

    ... Expenditures for travel relating to a Presidential or Vice Presidential candidate's campaign by any individual, including a candidate, shall, pursuant to the provisions of paragraph (b) of this section, be qualified campaign expenses and be reported by the candidate's authorized committee(s) as expenditures.

    ... If any campaign activity, other than incidental contacts, is conducted at a stop, that stop shall be considered campaign-related. Campaign activity includes soliciting, making, or accepting contributions, and expressly advocating the election or defeat of the candidate.

    That wording would seem to provide the McCain camp with an out, if someone else did make a "campaign-related" visit to Vietnam and Singapore during the period in question.

    Bob Biersack, another FEC spokesperson, says the information reported to his agency by candidates does not provide specific details about who actually incurred the expenses for a campaign. He says in the case of the Vietnam and Singapore expenditures, the most that can be discerned from the McCain campaign filings is that the airfare and hotel stays were paid for via a credit card.

    For example, Biersack says the charge for the stay at the Raffles Hotel in Singapore "was included on an American Express payment dated 7/2/2008. The total amount of the credit card payment was $1,373,918" - which indicates the hotel stay was one among a host of charges covered by the campaign through a payment made on that card on July 2.

    Biersack and Brandenberger both confirm that the only way for the FEC to get more information about the specific charges would be to conduct an audit of the McCain campaign's reported expenses, which would likely only be prompted through an official complaint to the FEC.

    Possible Explanations

    As odious as it might sound, one potential explanation for the expenditures, according to some sources, is that the McCain campaign sent investigators to Southeast Asia as part of an opposition research mission to dig up damaging information on rival candidate Barack Obama's childhood in Indonesia. Obama lived in Indonesia as a child from 1967 to 1971.

    If that was the case, then it appears the trip expenses could legitimately be covered by the McCain campaign - and Singapore is only a short hop away from Indonesia. However, no expenses show up on the McCain FEC ledger involving Indonesia during the period under review.

    In addition, the hotels involved in these expenditures are all upscale facilities. The Raffles Hotel in Singapore, for example, is an historic, popular destination for dignitaries and famous people. Among its notable past guests were pop star Michael Jackson, actress Elizabeth Taylor, former President George H. Bush and Queen Sofia of Spain.

    It just doesn't seem like the kind of place where you would put up sweaty investigators on a campaign dirt-gathering mission. Besides, why would such an opposition research mission involve stays at fancy hotels in Vietnam?

    However, there is one other plausible explanation for the expenses. From mid-June through the end of that month, John McCain's wife, Cindy, and her daughter Meghan, were both in Vietnam and Singapore as part of what the McCain camp billed at the time as a non-campaign "humanitarian" mission to help bring attention to the plight of poor children in Southeast Asia. Evidence that Cindy and Meghan McCain traveled to the regions (including Singapore) where the hotel stays were booked can be found on Meghan McCain's "non-campaign" blog at this link.

    A June 10 Associated Press story describes the McCains' trip this way:

    Cindy McCain ranged far afield from the U.S. presidential campaign trail Thursday to showcase her charity work helping Vietnamese kids born with facial deformities.

    ... She visited the coastal town of Nha Trang where about 100 children born with cleft palates and cleft lips were awaiting free plastic surgery provided by the U.S. charity Operation Smile. The operations will take place on one of the U.S. Navy's floating hospitals, the USNS Mercy.

    "This is what I do, and this is what revitalizes me, personally," she said. "The campaign is extremely important, of course, but this is also important to me, and so you try to balance everything."

    Cindy McCain's comments to the AP would seem to indicate that she was not on a campaign trip. That perception is reinforced by a June 19 report by the French news service AFP:

    McCain's staff stressed that her visit [to Vietnam] was private and not related to the political campaign of her 71-year-old husband, the presumptive presidential nominee of the Republican Party. She will also visit Thailand and Cambodia during her trip to Asia, on which she has been accompanied by Meghan, the couple's 23-year-old daughter.

    And a June 13 advance story on Cindy McCain's trip by the Politico blog also leaves a similar impression of the h3umanitarian nature of the trip:

    Cindy McCain will travel to three countries in Southeast Asia on a charitable mission next week, per a McCain aide.

    The countries are not being disclosed for security reasons, but McCain is to spend a week in the region, with the first portion of the trip alongside other members of Operation Smile, the organization that provides facial reconstruction to children. She'll then travel with officials from the World Food Program.

    Politico points out that Cindy McCain serves on the board of Operation Smile.

    However, Cindy McCain did garner a lot of press during her visit to Southeast Asia that projects conflicting images of the purpose of her journey.

    In an interview with CNN, she addressed issues related to the presidential campaign in a clear effort to bolster her husband's image. By contrast, in a segment she did for ABC's Good Morning America, Cindy McCain appears to paint her work in Southeast Asia as a humanitarian mission undertaken because of her deep concern about the plight of poor Third World children.
     
  8. Cookie Parker

    Cookie Parker New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2007
    Messages:
    122
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0

    Really? How about googling it and giving us an example of your finds.
     
  9. Libsmasher

    Libsmasher New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2008
    Messages:
    3,151
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Sorry, I don't consider something on the net called "narco news" :)rolleyes:) a credible reliable source.
     
  10. Libsmasher

    Libsmasher New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2008
    Messages:
    3,151
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    0
    :rolleyes:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woods_Fund_of_Chicago#Woods_Fund_of_Chicago

    Obama and Ayers worked as directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, with an overlap period of three years, 1999-2001. During that time, they both worked on the selfsame foundation project. There is no doubt at all that they thereby had a close relationship, and that obama's statement that ayers was just some guy in his neighborhood is a lie. All squared away now? :D
     
  11. laughinatreps

    laughinatreps New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2008
    Messages:
    226
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    This has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with campaign contributions genius, your links refer to 2004 at the latest. Is that really the best you can come up with?????? sigh........... dude, seriously, come up with some new material. That crap is as old as Ron White's "I got thrown out of a bar"....




    Ok, so where is your CREDIBLE source? hmmmmmm????:eek:
     
  12. Andy

    Andy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2008
    Messages:
    3,497
    Likes Received:
    59
    Trophy Points:
    48


    Case and point.... if you need help with the long words, let me know, I'll get you a transcript.
     
  13. laughinatreps

    laughinatreps New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2008
    Messages:
    226
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    ROFLMAO!!! your source is Qadhafi?????????

    Oh, now I get it.....There was a reason I moved away from Ohio and you just validated it.

    that state never fails to amaze me with its ignorance....

    LOLOLOLOL I'm crying from laughing so hard, thanks for the entertainment.
     
Loading...

Share This Page