Gasoline - Stray thoughts

The entire point is, if reducing GHG's was really the goal... (and not just an excuse for socialism)

Which policy would make more sense?


So yesterday I was reading an article about a technology that removes CO2 from the exhaust of cars or smokestacks before it is emitted into the atmosphere.

Of course one would think that everyone would be in favor of looking into this, but then there was a quote from a "scientist" who was worried that this might lead us to not reduce our use of fossil fuel. !!!!
 
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Semantics as far as I'm concerned... "Fossil Fuels" are what the Environmental Left has declared war on and seek to eliminate asap.

Right, I'm saying that the premise to start with, 'fossil fuel', is incorrect. Oil is not made from fossils. If we can get that truth to sink in, we can derail this whole notion that it's going to run out and we need to get off it.

I also oppose all forms of taxpayer subsidies. Incentives in my policies include eliminating taxes on business and corporations, including but not limited to property taxes.

I oppose taxes just on a Constitutional level. Income and property taxes are immoral, and in the original sense of the Constitution, illegal.

Believe it or not, Environmentalists are the biggest impediment to the Viability of ALL alternative energy with the exception of Solar.

Of course. The real goal of all Environmentalists is destruction of the US. It's not surprising at all. They'll find something for solar as soon as they can.

"Nanosolar is a developer of solar power technology. Based in Palo Alto, CA, Nanosolar has developed and commercialized an extremely low-cost printable solar cell manufacturing process. The company started selling panels mid-December 2007, and plans to profitably sell them at around $1 per watt.

This would fall under the "too good to be true" department. It's where I have read so many "This will be unbelievable!" only to find out it really is without belief.

That said, the information is scarce. Although they claimed to have shipped, there is no peer review I could find, nor statements from happy customers. Further, the size is seemingly small, and it's possibly not scaleable to what would be needed for domestic utility power generation.

Granted $1/per watt is a great goal, but I'm still looking for more factual information. I'm a cynic at heart. The nearest estimates are about 12-14% efficiency, which is industry standard, and not likely to be produceable at $1/watt.

I'm also looking for the trade off of using a conductive ink, over silicon. Will it be as durable? Will it have the same life span? Will it have power generation degradation? What's the heat tolerance? Too many unanswered questions, and the lack of peer review and long term informations, as well as the companies apparent tight lips on all information except for the propaganda, makes me suspicious.

Another thing that makes me suspicious, is this isn't the first claim like this. There was another company in 2002 I believe, that claimed to make a nearly identical product, and nothing ever came of it.

Time will tell.
 
Gwahar, the largest conventional oil field found on earth to date, is "fecal-pellet limestone":

“Most massive and nonporous limestones contain textures made by invertebrate animals that ingest sediment and turn out fecal pellets. Usually, the pellets get squished into the mud. Rarely do the fecal pellets themselves form a porous sedimentary rock. In the 1970s the first native-born Saudi to earn a doctorate in petroleum geology arrived for a year of work at Princeton. I used the occasion to twist Aramco’s collective arm for samples from the supergiant Ghawar field. As soon as the samples were ready, I made an appointment with our Saudi visitor to examine the samples together using petrographic microscopes. That morning, I was really excited. Examining the reservoir rock of the world’s biggest oil field was for me a thrill bigger than climbing Mount Everest. A small part of the reservoir was dolomite, but most of it turned out to be a fecal-pellet limestone. I had to go home that evening and explain to my family that the reservoir rock in the world’s biggest oil field was made of ****.” Kenneth S. Deffeyes, “Hubbert’s Peak” (Princeton: Princeton University Press, 2001), p. 57-58

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/ghawar.htm

Pidgey
 
The ultimate solution:

- conversion of coal to oil
- nuke plants at the coal mines to provide the conversion energy
- new pipeline system to transport the oil to new refineries across the country
- free psychological counseling for libs, to get over their fear of nukes.

I'm a genius! :D
 
The EASY solution:

* Eliminate Taxes on the Energy Industries and their products.
* Abandon Ethanol completely and convert the new Ethanol refineries to Crude refineries.
* Standardize Gasoline into just a few grades and blends with a federal mandate that supersedes the many separate state regulations and standards.
* Yes to Expanding Domestic exploration and production.
 
The EASY solution:

* Eliminate Taxes on the Energy Industries and their products.
* Abandon Ethanol completely and convert the new Ethanol refineries to Crude refineries.
* Standardize Gasoline into just a few grades and blends with a federal mandate that supersedes the many separate state regulations and standards.
* Yes to Expanding Domestic exploration and production.

Sadly, I'm against "S". I want less government mandates, not more. Yeah I know it would simplify refining, but I'm willing to accept states having more control, as they should under the constitution.

A better alternative is Slash the EPA completely. I believe it's an unconstitutional department to begin with.
 
Sadly, I'm against "S". I want less government mandates, not more. Yeah I know it would simplify refining, but I'm willing to accept states having more control, as they should under the constitution.

A better alternative is Slash the EPA completely. I believe it's an unconstitutional department to begin with.

Abolishing the EPA will do nothing to lower the cost of Gasoline, standardizing the many different grades would... But I understand your point. My proposed plan would be removing 50 different mandates and consolodating it into just one mandate, to me, thats fewer mandates and not more. States Rights are trumped by the fact that this commodity drives the entire US economy, not just those of particular states.
 
Abolishing the EPA will do nothing to lower the cost of Gasoline, standardizing the many different grades would... But I understand your point. My proposed plan would be removing 50 different mandates and consolodating it into just one mandate, to me, thats fewer mandates and not more. States Rights are trumped by the fact that this commodity drives the entire US economy, not just those of particular states.

No sorry. States rights are a defining part of the Constitution, to which having a federal mandated control over gasoline, is a violation of. A state mandate, though costly, is a constitutional right of the state.

Further, different formulations for different states is logical given that different states have different climates, and different population densities. A formulation that is right and good for one state, may not be best suited, or required, for another.

A federal mandate, would cause a 'one size fits all' policy the is not the best possible out come.

The EPA is what is requiring these various formulations. By disabling the federal EPA system, the states would have more options for controlling or eliminating their own state level EPA system. That's the best policy. Let the states make their own choices.

Let's not adopt a "well in this case... states right are nullified because of X" type argument that led us to the situation we're in, to begin with. You will never ultimately win, by using the tactics of the enemy, because you only end up validating their arguments. The federal government controlling too much, led us to this point. Let's not give the feds anymore power to control us.
 
A formulation that is right and good for one state, may not be best suited, or required, for another. -Andy

Hold on a second... Right now, as things are today, Gasoline is blended AT THE PUMP. Every single truck delivers the exact same grade of gasoline and then the gas is blended right there at the point of sale... 87, 89, 92, 94

Problem is, California demands a different blend than Oregon and so on... By making a statute that sends uncut, High Octane (100+) fuel to ALL the states - The states can still keep their mandates on specific blends but it would now be blended at the Gas Stations rather than at the Refineries.We have NO shortage of gas stations, Democrats and Environmentalists allow those to be built, but we DO have a shortage of Refining capacity.

Am I making sense yet?
 
Drill Drill!!

I'm begining to wonder if this another Bush political issue, made up to help his friends in the oil industry.

It seems that no matter what channel you turn on, there's always a republican preaching about drilling.

This is what pisses me off about our democratic congress. They don't have the balls to impeach Bush for all this bul ****! :mad:
 
Re: Drill Drill!!

I'm begining to wonder if this another Bush political issue, made up to help his friends in the oil industry.

It seems that no matter what channel you turn on, there's always a republican preaching about drilling.

This is what pisses me off about our democratic congress. They don't have the balls to impeach Bush for all this bul ****! :mad:

Ok... well let's see. First off, Bush, unlike a prior president, has committed not even one single impeachable offense, and oddly, loves his wife. This is very likely the main reason he has not been impeached. Just a guess. :D

Second... in a market of supply and demand, one very obvious way to reduce price, is to increase supply. Therefore if the goal is reduced cost of oil, drilling for more oil has a very high prospect of actually helping the situation.

Just out of curiosity, other than mindlessly ranting, what is your logical rational theory for how to deal with high oil prices? Btw, if your brilliant suggestion is to simply "impeach Bush", please explain how the world oil market, based on supply and demand, is going to change in any way due to this inept action?
 
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Abolishing the EPA will do nothing to lower the cost of Gasoline, standardizing the many different grades would... But I understand your point. My proposed plan would be removing 50 different mandates and consolodating it into just one mandate, to me, thats fewer mandates and not more. States Rights are trumped by the fact that this commodity drives the entire US economy, not just those of particular states.


It would be better if the states decided to get together on their own so the fed would stay out of it.
 
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