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How are these gangs significantly different from Islamic terror organizations?

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  1. PLC1

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    [h=1]THE GANG CHALLENGE IN EL SALVADOR: WORSE THAN YOU THOUGHT[/h]
    To summarize: They're basically taking over the country through murder and extortion, in other words, terror. They have cells in the United States and elsewhere, just like ISIS does. Their game is power through intimidation. While not using religion to justify their evil goals, they nevertheless use the same tactics and the same goal: power.
     
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    You answered your own question.
    If you don't think having god as your supreme leader is notebly different I think you understate the matter.
     
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    Do they really have god as their supreme leader, or is that just an excuse for their actions?
     
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    To the people they talk into acts that will likely make them martyers anything less would not be enough.
     
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    Now you have a point. The gangsters aren't so anxious to die for their cause, they'd rather make someone else die instead.
     
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    Yeah they want money for their trouble
     
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    Yes, they do, and power as well. ISIS wants the same thing, and uses the same tactics to get it. They do have the ability to convince followers that they'll go to heaven if they die for their cause. I'm not so sure what the gangsters believe.
     
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    They believe it's how you make good money the easy way.
     
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    Yes, they do, and they have a point right up to where a rival gangster shoots them.
     
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    Yup, at which point it no longer matters.
    They set the bar pretty low huh ?
     
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    Reading the article reminds of Colombia back in the 80s and 90s when Pablo Escobar was making billions selling drugs. The one mistake any government can make is try to negotiate with gangs, cartels or terrorist organizations. They get bolder. And things get worse. For gangs there's one solution that works — hunt them down, kill them all.

    For terrorist organizations the focus should be on killing the ideology. It doesn't matter how long it takes.
     
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    I think you've put your finger on one of the differences: What ideology do the gangs have? The Jihadis claim an ideology, even if their actions are similar to the gangs' actions. How do you kill the ideology of getting money by violence and illegal drugs? For that matter, how do you kill an ideology that convinces people that Allah will see to it that they win no matter what happens to them?
     
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    Make the "get money" stop happening.
    As for alkah, just let them meet their maker in unpleasant ways. There it a reason guys like Tito Hussein et al were ultraviolent.
     
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    Yes, get the money out of dealing drugs. Let's start by ending the so called "war on drugs."

    And, if the Jihadis really believe that they won't get their reward in heaven if they're killed by a woman, let's have more of them killed by women, then make sure they know what is going on.
     
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    Most jihadis are brainwashed into believing lies.

    One solution to this would be by using the same tactics. Pay some "lukewarm" religious leaders or even charlatans who aren't even Muslims to dilute the jihadist propaganda. It's something that will take a long time but there's much this sort of thing could achieve.
     
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