GBFan
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see I am waiting for something in the real world
1. so your plan is some vague plan that takes 5 years with no real plan...also called over 5 years hope...
2. NATO does not just make Ukraine a member after the fact , so we can then go war. Fist its childish and pointless to try to change things after the fact. 2nd Ukraine has not suggested, in fact has said it does not want to Join NATO.
3. Missile defense really? do you even have a clue about it? Would missles stop any trucks full of troops? Nope, would not change anything. And the shield was to protect the EU from Iran...Russia would destroy that shield in a quick attack or just simply overpower it easily. The reason we did not put it up in the first place was lack of confidence it could even do that with...ask Robert Gates...
4. again your plan is to talk to 2 others about something 5 years down the road,,,
Man your realy hitting Russia hard with your nothing nothing and nothing in 5 years.
See? This is exactly what I'm talking about .... talking with you is like walking thru a puddle ... it never gets very deep, and when you're done, you just feel dirty.
1) Applying pressure is different than you seem to conceive ... Putin knows that his only thread is energy. If it is threatened, he has to back down ... his economy will not withstand the threat, much less the action. He has to retrench in order to protect what he has today. If he pushes against the threat, he cannot win.
2) You need to just be quiet when it comes to issues of military superiority and deployment. Clearly, you don't have a single clue about how it works. Would missiles stop trucks? Duh. As a matter of fact, they will. Since we also have a superior air force located in the immediate area (33 minutes flying time from Kiev), you can be assured that any move toward the missile defense sites would result in the complete, and absolute, destruction of the invading force. It is 334 km from Kiev to the nearest Russian border (forget about where their troops are housed) ... that means the invasion force would have to travel approximately 100 km/hr to arrive the same time the F-22's do. Your scenario is pure fantasy, wrapped in ignorance.
3) Again, your lack of depth of knowledge about Europe fails you. If you recall .... and I'm sure you don't ... Obama gave away placing missile defense systems in Poland and Estonia. They were NOT to protect anybody from Iran ... their sole purpose was to intimidate Russia with the threat of destroying their missiles before they got to their target. I am well aware that Obama said the purpose of the system was to protect Poland from Iranian missiles, but given that Iran didn't have any missiles that would travel that far, has shown no interest in moving in that direction, and oh by the way, if you look at the positioning of the missile batteries, you will find that they are directly on the launch paths of known Russian missile sites. Tell me ... why would you place missile batteries in northern Poland (you know, close to Russia), if you were trying to protect Poland from Iran, which, surprisingly, is southwest of Poland? Wouldn't logic dictate that you place the missiles on the SOUTHERN border?? You really need to quit reading the first two sentences of the latest Wikipedia posting, and then anointing yourself an expert.
4) As for your prattling about NATO ... that is exactly what NATO does ... and has done several times in the past. If they vote the Ukraine into NATO, it is a commitment by the member states to defend Ukranian soil as it were their own. Get out a map --- we'll wait.
Ask yourself one simple question ... why did Russia intrude on the Ukraine, rather than the much more vulnerable Belarus? Belarus has a significantly smaller military, is much closer to Moscow and Russian military centers, and has a much larger proportional citizenry of Russian descent (the weak ass excuse that allows Obama to hide)?
The answer is simple. Belarus is a member of NATO, and attacking them would have forced NATO countries to respond. By going after Crimea, establishing a strategic and tactical foothold to push into the Ukraine, Putin only had to worry about Obama ... and he already knew that Obama had no balls.