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obama should not be president: He's not really a christian

Discussion in 'U.S. Politics' started by Irishone21, May 8, 2008.

  1. Irishone21

    Irishone21 New Member

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    I'm not denouncing him because he is not really a christian, I just think honesty is a required value for a president, and deciet only works towards further manipulating people into thinking such is ok, as it is part of the game.

    Will wright blow Obamas chances, or will his defense help after the initial setback, bolster his opportunity for presidiency? I think it all depends on how illinformed and compressed citizenry read others, and how deeply they analyze and scrutinize this controversial relationship. For those who eye upon leaders with a suspitious eye, they may notice his antipathy towards religioun especially, regardless of his claims, christianity, to which, considering his affiliation and apparent loyalty to a disillusioned pastor, only bolden such a conviction. I realize he may have embraced an opportunity to examine and understand such leaders, but doubt that this was his reasoning for attending this church. IN addintion, I did not see loyalty in his defense, nor compassion for those who speak without the formely prerequisted spiritual enlightenment. All in all, I still am not convinced ANY candidates will suffse for such morally imperative times (I see potential in Mccain though, if he talked to the right person).

    In regards to society, the variously complex dichotomies seem to contribute to a feeling of alienation, or divisiveness with people as a whole. Misunderstanding toward the many upbringings such a diverse society provides has challenged this country, and only by divisive, and major changes to pay wages, communication, and legislation itself will any issues even begin to be resolved. A radically capitalistic society has sincerely adverse effects on people, and in order to move towards a more equitable society, we need to equalize the people. Great changes, and temporary difficulties will arise, but the political expediency of socialistic action override the negative aspects of an equalizing reformation.

    People should seek to create an egalitarian demoracy that stands for peace love, and global optimism. Te many ideas I have mentioned, here and in former writings (myspace.com/zmcbride), litigious people have overlooked and dinigrated the quality of. I exhort all those who are informed of my strategy to attain unity and peace, hoping all take righteous politics seriously, considering peaceful, but adament action to acheive.

    I can only wish the people listen to me now, as I am increasingly apprehensive of the course of current and future administration.
     
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    Pandora Well-Known Member

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    There was a pole done recently asking if it was possible for a non Christian to become president. 60 something percent of the people said yes. All you really need is 51 percent or less if there is a 3d party running. More people were opposed to an atheist president than a non Christian.

    Not being a “real” Christian wont be Obama down fall. Maybe for a few people but the few that wouldn’t vote for him because he isn’t a real Christian wouldn’t vote for him anyway over other bigger issues.
     
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    I don't trust him in regards to foreign policy.
     
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    nor American law. What about simplifing law?
     
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    A pole, eh....
     
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    Irishone, in case you haven't realised, you're elections run on the idea of democracy. And so the leader of the country is elected by the people, for the people - regardless of what his religion is.

    What religion he is has no say in it at all - its what the people want.
     
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    Heh, well, whadya know, I actually agree with Irishone on something. Two things actually:

    (1) He shouldn't be President, and

    (2) He's not really a Christian (as his church is heretical).

    Although in my mind, 1 doesn't logically follow from 2, so I suppose I really disagree. Oh well.

    For the record, I would feel better about Obama if he were simply an atheist (which I suspect he really is; one is not raised by two radical Marxist atheists, one an anthropologist, in the Islamic third world and then grow up to find Christianity, conveniently coinciding with a run for political office) then if he were claiming membership in a heretical cult just to construct a phony "authentically black" identity. I still wouldn't vote for him but I would at least be able to applaud his integrity for it.
     
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    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    1. I am not a christian, and have evry right to be president, and have used stronger morals then the majority of the so called "Christians"

    2. He is a Christian, your idiot.
     
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    I assume you're talking to Irishone, so I won't dispute the "your idiot" bit except to point out the (obvious) diction error.

    But no, he isn't a Christian. His church is heretical. It rejects the most central tenet of Christianity: the universality of God's love. If his church isn't Christian, then he certainly isn't.
     
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    pocketfullofshells Well-Known Member

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    damn typo's that you can't edit lol

    and he is a believer that Christ is the son of god, and a Christian as far as I can see. to pick apart the rest is like saying catholics are not Christian, then Lutherans are not as well....and so on. who gets to judge what church is Christian? some would say a church itself is unchristian and against what Jesus said...so I could say all who go to church are not Christian.
     
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    UNITED STATES SENATOR BARACK OBAMA

    1) Christian

    2) Good family man with 2 lovely daughters.

    3) Highly intelligent & caring (now that will be quite some change :))

    4) Next President of The United States of America!!!
     
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    You people better worry about more than just his religious beliefs or lack thereof.
     
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    I'm evaluating his values America, if you read the thread. Look behind what's on paper, and look at the candidate, and how he changed from start to finish. Observe each character to ensure you don't make desperate decisions relying on change. Iv'e seen a segment on TV based on religion, where Hilary and Obama were reading pessimistic/destructive peices out of the Bible. He is capable of much power and we need to be weary about who we elect. I don't have much faith in military recalcitrance, so it is up to us if anything goes wrong.
     
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    Don't get me wrong though. He is a loveable guy, but we are nominating leaders, not just brothers.
     
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    please tell me what part of the bible they are allowed to use? I do love that Christians often are so willing to overlook half the bible if it does not fit them, and then attack others for not being good Christians anyway.
     
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