Oil Politics: War with Russia..

[Sihouette]

I didn't notice a question. But then again, I wasn't looking

I'll take your question on the other thread.

 

[foggedinn]

Peace is the absence of opposition to Socialism. - Karl Marx

Effete intellectualism. Sounds like a zinger straight out of a book of neo-con talking points.

I can't believe you've ever actually had to fight for your right to exist for the next five seconds. People who have had to fight for their own life are rarely so cavilier about other peoples lives. Young, dumb, and full of cum was the expression forty years ago.

I haven't been that lucky. I've been in situations where, by all rights, I should have died a half dozen times. By the grace of God, the Lord was with me. I'm still here. Thank God I've never had to kill anyone.

The plight of the Georgians is hopeless without our help, and we're in no position to help them.

 

[GenSeneca]

Effete intellectualism. Sounds like a zinger straight out of a book of neo-con talking points.

I agree with the first part, Marx was never much of an intellectual. The second part... Thats straight from the writings of Karl Marx and it would take another hundred years from his writing that before "Neo-Cons" would even exist.

I can't believe you've ever actually had to fight for your right to exist for the next five seconds. People who have had to fight for their own life are rarely so cavilier about other peoples lives. Young, dumb, and full of cum was the expression forty years ago.

Cavalier? You're the one telling them to wave the white flag, peace at any cost nonsense...

The plight of the Georgians is hopeless without our help, and we're in no position to help them.

Thats just silly... as if WE are going to FIGHT the Russians.... Not a chance. Georgia is getting all the help WE can give them via NATO and multinational diplomacy.

BTW, where is the UN? Where is the "International Community", the one that pitches a HISSY FIT anytime the US or Israeli's are embroiled in conflict? Why aren't all those "Anti-War" people burning Russian flags and effigies of Putin?

 

[UShadItComing]

Listening to the news, it's clear the US is too busy to help and I'm kinda thinking that Georgia is going to suffer a net loss for all their territorial bravado of thinking they could take back Ossetia while Russia's boss was enjoying the games.

Lots of politics being played by the moron and Rice but it's going to be hard for the world's sentiments to be turned against Russia when they will be seen as defending their people in Ossetia!

Any of you american wankers read some stories on the issues yet to find out what this is all about?

 

[Andy]

I didn't notice a question. But then again, I wasn't looking

I'll take your question on the other thread.

Well if your just going to post random stuff without responding to questions and points others make, why are you here? Is this just an attempt to troll people with stuff you don't wish to discuss?

Or perhaps you are so convinced of your position, that you no longer think it even worth discussing? I'm right, I know I'm right, so no one can even ask a question about it, cause I'm right and know it, and thats it, darn it....

Or do you think that by spamming BigOil conspiracies throughout this forum, somehow you'll convince people they are true, without any evidence or supporting arguments at all? Just the big lie system, in effect, where if you repeat it enough, all of us will suddenly become mindless "BigOil" nutz chanting the conspiracy theories with you?

What exactly is your game here? Cause I'm really at a loss as to why you bother to log on and post stuff now. You make a claim that has no support, no logic, no evidence, no valid rational thought... and we point this out... and you post the exact same thing all over again, with the exact same result... and now you don't even bother to answer questions...

What is it that you hope to accomplish? Obviously it isn't to persuade anyone...

 

[Andy]

Listening to the news, it's clear the US is too busy to help and I'm kinda thinking that Georgia is going to suffer a net loss for all their territorial bravado of thinking they could take back Ossetia while Russia's boss was enjoying the games.

Lots of politics being played by the moron and Rice but it's going to be hard for the world's sentiments to be turned against Russia when they will be seen as defending their people in Ossetia!

Any of you american wankers read some stories on the issues yet to find out what this is all about?

Umm... didn't you say:

I simply refuse to take part in this discussion with Americans until they bring themselves up to speed on what this is all about.

Please keep your word. You do keep your word right? We will let you know when to come back. We'll have a moderator send you a note...

 

[Sihouette]

We simply cannot fault Russia for invading a sovereign nation under the guise of liberating the people there...all instead for their real pursuit of control of oil. Not that it isn't wrong, just that the US cannot fault them for it. We don't even have diplomatic means to confront them about it. Thanks again BigOil!

I saw Resident Bush give a speech yesterday about how Russia is bad because it's invading a sovereign nation. That poor dumb bastard just really cannot connect the dots. Or he thinks we are that dumb to not see his vacuous words floating out of his mouth to preserve the ever-thinning veil of innocence BigOil so depends on to keep operating.

I swear, when Bush complained about that, whined more accurately, I near fell off my chair laughing. Does he really think people take what he says seriously anymore? I was like, "You're serious?? You're upset because Russia invaded a sovereign nation, all really for oil????"

 

[UShadItComing]

We simply cannot fault Russia for invading a sovereign nation under the guise of liberating the people there...all instead for their real pursuit of control of oil. Not that it isn't wrong, just that the US cannot fault them for it. We don't even have diplomatic means to confront them about it. Thanks again BigOil!

I saw Resident Bush give a speech yesterday about how Russia is bad because it's invading a sovereign nation. That poor dumb bastard just really cannot connect the dots. Or he thinks we are that dumb to not see his vacuous words floating out of his mouth to preserve the ever-thinning veil of innocence BigOil so depends on to keep operating.

I swear, when Bush complained about that, whined more accurately, I near fell off my chair laughing. Does he really think people take what he says seriously anymore? I was like, "You're serious?? You're upset because Russia invaded a sovereign nation, all really for oil????"

Are you truly unaware of what this war is all about? I know that if you had listened and watched the talking heads on US t.v. to begin with and didn't hear anything else you would be totally misled. When you speak of Russia invading a sovereign nation you lead me to believe you are totally in the dark as to what it's about. Are you not aware that Georgia started a war to retake Ossetia which broke away from Georgia a few years ago? Maybe we should just leave it at that for now until you bring yourself up to speed. You may also note though that Andy doesn't want me to talk about it and he sure doesn't because he knows what's going on.

 

[Sihouette]

Bullocks. We all know Georgia is strategic to oil transportation.

You know it to. Pretending you don't is hurting your credibility further than it already has been hurt by your nonsensical siderailing attempts at distraction from certain....subjects...you don't want discussed..

Fighting reportedly raged well into the night with Georgia's interior ministry saying early Saturday that warplanes attacked three Georgian military bases and key facilities for shipping oil to the West...

.."I saw bodies lying on the streets, around ruined buildings, in cars," said Lyudmila Ostayeva, 50, who had fled with her family to Dzhava, a village near the border with Russia. "It's impossible to count them now. There is hardly a single building left undamaged."..

..Early Saturday, Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said the Vaziani military base on the outskirts of the Georgian capital was bombed by warplanes during the night and that bombs fell in the area of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline. He also said two other Georgian military bases were hit and that warplanes bombed the Black Sea port city of Poti, which has a sizable oil shipment facility. Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080808/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_south_ossetia

And again I reiterate that American BigOil is to blame. They were the ones who lied to obtain funding to invade a sovereign nation to expand their oil empire at taxpayer expense. They are the ones who killed thousands in the name of oil. Russians responded by asserting a power-balancing act of invading a strategic oil-transport country. The Russians aren't (no one should) going to sit back and watch the US take over the world's most precious and dwindling resource to have a WORLD monopoly on it as well as a domestic one..

Like, duh...

And again, we cannot fault them for simply doing the logical thing in response to BigOil's original sin. Anyone with half a brain knew at the get-go that BigOil's illegal invasion of Iraq would have far-reaching consequences. When looking at what's happening in Georgia I feel safe to tell ya, "you ain't seen nothin' yet."

 

[GenSeneca]

American BigOil is to blame.

American Big Oil led an uprising in Ossetia, then talked Georgia into invading to retake the province, then talked the Russians into intervening and attacking Georgia... Sounds pretty logical to me!

 

[UShadItComing]

O.K. I'll give you another chance. What you write above is largely correct and we can get into that if you like. But first of all at least don't say it's 'bullocks' when I have told you why the war started in the first place.

So in an attempt to bring you back to normalcy I'll add a little bit more for you to consider: Georgia decided to retake Ossetia and the Russians reacted by claiming that they were defending their people. But the attack by Georgia gave Russia the opportunity to do something about Georgia with some legitimacy. Now Russia is taking advantage of the situation and has declared that the old status quo can't stand. They do that on the pretence of needing to stop insurrections into Ossetia and they are going to continue on and defeat Georgia while they have the opportunity. Georgia stacked the deck in favour of Russia when they attacked Ossetia. And now the US needs to sit on the sidelines and watch it's gains disappear. That's what's going on.

And you might just forget this conspiracy theory that I'm on the side of big oil because it's ridiculous. If anything, I have been the one on this forum to most expose the workings of big oil.

Now, can you handle that much is a sensible way?

 

[UShadItComing]

Sihouette- Don't let Gensen derail this for us. He has no interest in a truthful and serious exchange of ideas. If you do then you lose me.

 

[GenSeneca]

Sihouette- Don't let Gensen derail this for us. He has no interest in a truthful and serious exchange of ideas. If you do then you lose me.

You both share the same logic. How's that for a "truthful serious exchange"?

 

[Sihouette]

The incentive for invasion will be touted any number of ways. But anyone with half a brain knows it's all about Russia balancing power as to the control of oil.

It's right there in the article. Transportation ports and pipelines being bombed. Gee, you don't need to be a wizard to figure out what that's all about: a retaliation to the continued and expanding threat of BigOil trying to insert puppet regimes in the Middle East, and probably Georgia as well.. It isn't by mistake that georgian troops are one of BigOil's allies in Iraq. So that pissed off the russians...it should..

This world isn't for the sole enjoyment of American capitialist and even fascist interests. There are other people who live here on this globe who have differing points of view. With our public treasury illegally siphoned, our economy in the toilet and our military stretched thin, those other voices have started to speak up when there was a glaring sign of american impotence for all to see. And China hasn't even thrown her voice in yet. But when she does, I hear it can be deafening...

"And when BigOil gets excited our little China girl says, "oh baby, just you shut your mouth.."

 

[GenSeneca]

Doesn't Russia have its own "Big Oil"?

Why is Russian Big Oil not threatening at all but American Big Oil so insidious?

Do you know what global commodities are?