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Opioid Epidemic and China

Discussion in 'House of Debates' started by Old_Trapper70, Dec 11, 2016.

  1. Old_Trapper70

    Old_Trapper70 Well-Known Member

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    It is bad enough that the US has allowed, and even financed, the rise of China's power through people like Trump, Romney, and others, doing business there, but are we now to set back, and watch our children die simply because some billionaires are too greedy to care?

    https://www.statnews.com/2016/04/05/fentanyl-traced-to-china/
     
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    How is drug abuse related to greedy billionaires (besides those in the drug abuse business)?
     
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    It is the supply of the illegal drugs, and deadly drugs, that has been financed by doing business with China. If the US had stayed out of China it would still be a third world economy instead of threatening us economically, militarily, and culturally. We, at the insistence of the wealthy, have allowed China to dump cheap solar products, cheap rare earth metals, inferior (but cheap) steal, inferior (but cheap) tires and other auto parts, food, etc., on out markets thus driving down profits to the US, not prices, and now we are allowing them to dump illegal, and deadly, drugs in the market. The profit goes to greedy parties like Trump (who buys Chinese steal for his projects).
     
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    Looks to me like you're mixing up two separate issues, trade with China and drug addiction. Both are problems. Opioid addiction is a serious problem, killing more Americans than traffic accidents. It generally starts with pain killers like Vicodin or OxyContin, then proceeds to heroin and then heroin laced with Fentanyl. Unless the government of China is directly engaged in selling illegal drugs to the USA, trade with China is not a part of that problem.
     
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    Opiods laced with Fentanyl is legally manufactured in China, and then legally sold to the US where it is illegal. So, while the government itself is not "directly" involved it most certainly is involved.
     
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    Fentanyl has even been used as a weapon. The U.S. military spent a decade tinkering with an aerosol version of the narcotic, trying to create an incapacitating spray. And it is believed to have been the active ingredient in the gas that Russian commandos used in 2002 to knock out Chechen terrorists who were holding 750 people in a Moscow theatre, fatally poisoning 117 hostages in the process.

    To date, the biggest cluster of fentanyl deaths came between 2005 and 2007, in and around Chicago, Detroit and Philadelphia, with 1,013 confirmed fatal overdoses. The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency eventually traced their source back to a single clandestine laboratory outside Mexico City, run by a Breaking Bad-style chemist nicknamed “El Cerebro” (the Brain). The powder he made was exported to the States, then cut into heroin and distributed by a Chicago drug gang known as the Mickey Cobras. Users understood that the hybrid smack was potent and extremely dangerous, and that was a big part of the attraction. On the street, it went by names such as Suicide Mission, Code Blue, Reaper and Lethal Injection. It disappeared after the Mexican lab was shut down and the Brain and 47 Cobras were arrested.

    The illicit fentanyl that’s currently flooding Canadian markets in pill form has more benign nicknames: greenies, green beans and green monsters (all references to its emerald hue). But that doesn’t make it any less deadly. Stamped as OxyContin, the fentanyl has been retailing for as little as $10 a pill—an indication of how cheap it is to manufacture, and how easy it is to obtain the raw material. The big B.C. investigation in March turned up two industrial pill presses that were used to make the 29,000 tablets. Two of the 14 people arrested in associated raids in Alberta and Saskatchewan are “full-patch” members of the Hells Angels. A third man is the president of an affiliated motorcycle gang, the Fallen Saints.

    Shutting down the “fake Oxy” trade won’t be simple, however. This time, there seem to be multiple sources for the fentanyl. Police have suggested that Mexican drug cartels are involved in its importation, but that it’s being manufactured even farther afield, in places such as Turkey and China. It can even be ordered online. “Companies guarantee delivery, even if it’s seized by the Canadian Border Services Agency,” Staff Sgt. Martin Schiavetta, of the Calgary police drug unit, said in a recent interview with the CBC. In fact, so much of the raw powder is now coming into the country that Canadian dealers are said to be exporting their excess product to the northwest United States.

    Then there’s the other problem: the growing abuse of the legitimate pharmaceutical version of the drug. Prescriptions for high-dose painkillers have skyrocketed over the last 15 years. A study by a group of Ontario researchers, published last fall in Canadian Family Physician, crunched six years of drug data and determined that Canadians are now the world’s biggest per capita consumers of legal opioids, with more than 30 million high-dose tablets and patches distributed every year. (Statistics Canada estimates that one in 10 Canadians suffers from chronic pain.) “Clinicians haven’t been given a lot of guidance on how to deal with long-term pain,” says Tara Gomes, scientific lead for the Ontario Drug Policy Research Network and one of the authors. “There is a place—a really specific place—in therapy for these drugs, when people have horrible, intractable pain. But not when they have a sore knee from golf.”

    http://www.macleans.ca/society/health/fentanyl-the-king-of-all-opiates-and-a-killer-drug-crisis/
     
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    I realize how strongly you want to support China, globalism, etc., however, just how does a "christian" like you think an article from 2015 outweighs the information found in 2016 such as this:

    "When it comes to the illegal sale of fentanyl, most of the attention has focused on Mexican cartels that are adding the drug to heroin smuggled into the United States. But Chinese suppliers are providing both raw fentanyl and the machinery necessary for the assembly-line production of the drug powering a terrifying and rapid rise of fatal overdoses across the United States and Canada, according to drug investigators and court documents."

    Or the rapid increase in deaths over the last few years which have already outpaced the years in your article "To date, the biggest cluster of fentanyl deaths came between 2005 and 2007"?

    http://www.mass.gov/eohhs/docs/dph/...l-pmp/data-brief-overdose-deaths-may-2016.pdf
     
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    Where did this come from? I realize how strongly you want to support China, globalism, etc., however, just how does a "christian" like you think an article from 2015 outweighs the information found in 2016 such as this: I was just showing another point of view..
     
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