Results are in from Illinois' 67% tax rate increase

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Not sure this even qualifies as "news". It's one of the most predictable outcomes we have.

But, no doubt, those in charge in Illinois will describe it as "unexpected".

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http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/08/graph_for_the_day_for_august_25_2011.html

Graph for the Day for August 25, 2011

Randall Hoven
August 25, 2011

"We have an emergency, a fiscal emergency... Our state was careening toward bankruptcy, fiscal insolvency. Even in the last couple of months, the situation got seriously more dire. So the governor has to act at the moment. And that's what I did." Illinois Governor Pat Quinn, upon passage of a 67% tax increase at end of lame duck session, January 12, 2011.

"Democrats argued the tax increase was needed to rehabilitate the state's deadbeat image, but Republicans predicted it would drive businesses out of state." The Chicago Tribune, January 12, 2011.

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How long before Democrats come piling in, to tell us that it is all a coincidence?

P.S. There's at least one very famous guy from Illinois, who wants to raise taxes for the entire country too.
 
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There is no truth to the rumor that tumbling employment numbers in Illinois are cause by widespread closures of motels along the Wisconsin border, after all the Wisconsin Democrat legislators finally packed up their bags and went home.
 
As usual, anything from the Heritage Foundation is of questionable value. Even their opening comment admits that the conclusion they are reaching is not based upon facts.

"Correlation doesn’t necessarily equal causation, but some disturbing correlations are evident in the nation’s economic woes."

Those are their words, not mine.
 
As usual, anything from the Heritage Foundation is of questionable value.

You've got to get your smears and insults straight. The article isn't even FROM the Heritage Foundation.

Or is this the standard insult you use for any facts you can't refute but hate anyway, regardless of source? Do you just copy/paste it from a template, and then fill in whatever conservative group you happen to be bashing this week?

Even their opening comment admits that the conclusion they are reaching is not based upon facts.
Their opening comment says nothing of the kind, of course.

Speak English much?

BTW, have you notified President Obama's Dept. of Labor, that their Bureau of Labor Statistics is putting out incorrect employment numbers? And have you identified to them, which of the numbers shown on the graph are inaccurate, and what the correct values are?

:rolleyes:

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(The more the leftist fanatics lose, the more hysterical their posts become, and the more this gets to be like shooting fish in a barrel.... ;) )
 
STATISTICS CAN LIE
Go to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
Choose the "From" as 2010 and click "Go"
You will get 4 charts
These charts show that although employment went down, the unemployment rate improved! Quite contrary to what the American Thinker site wants you to believe.
The data sure enough shows employment going down as Little Acorn posted.
However the labor force also went more sharply down. And that totally canceled the effect that the OP showed.
The important unemployment and unemployment rates improved

Thus the relative employment went up contrary to Little Acorns graph. His source, The American Thinker, ain't thinkin real good. The flaming liberal fanatics, ProudLefty and pocketfullofshells were right after all. Little Acorn you owe them an apology.



Below are the actual data, but go to the site for the graphs.

Year | labor force | employmt | unemplmnt | unempl rate |

2010 Jan . . 6618986 . . 5878936 . . 740050 . . 11.2
2010 Feb . . 6636992 . . 5899610 . . 737382 . . 11.1
2010 Mar . . 6647391 . . 5919110 . . 728281 . . 11.0
2010 Apr . . 6649352 . . 5934248 . . 715104 . . 10.8
2010 May . . 6644342 . . 5944483 . . 699859 . . 10.5
2010 Jun . . 6637080 . . 5952069 . . 685011 . . 10.3
2010 Jul . . 6633007 . . 5960900 . . 672107 . . 10.1
2010 Aug . . 6635670 . . 5975294 . . 660376 . . 10.0
2010 Sep . . 6642934 . . 5994641 . . 648293 . . 9.8
2010 Oct . . 6651327 . . 6015703 . . 635624 . . 9.6
2010 Nov . . 6658925 . . 6035131 . . 623794 . . 9.4
2010 Dec . . 6666130 . . 6052731 . . 613399 . . 9.2
2011 Jan . . 6648545 . . 6049328 . . 599217 . . 9.0
2011 Feb . . 6614917 . . 6026594 . . 588323 . . 8.9
2011 Mar . . 6602134 . . 6020186 . . 581948 . . 8.8
2011 Apr . . 6596663 . . 6021511 . . 575152 . . 8.7
2011 May . . 6597455 . . 6012642 . . 584813 . . 8.9
2011 Jun . . 6596703 . . 5993182 . . 603521 . . 9.1
 
I am chastened.

I never realized that able-bodied people who want to work, fleeing the state in droves or giving up looking for work entirely, reflected an IMPROVING employment situation. :eek:

I am abjectly sorry. :(

:rolleyes:
 
I am chastened.

I never realized that able-bodied people who want to work, fleeing the state in droves or giving up looking for work entirely, reflected an IMPROVING employment situation. :eek:

I am abjectly sorry. :(

:rolleyes:
You have recaptured your honor and my admiration. Most people on this forum would start arguing rather than manning up to innocent errors.
 
Since we are talking about Ill, lets compare that to Wisc.

Democrats say that government can create jobs through borrowing, printing money and spending. They warn that trimming bureaucrats from payrolls will be an economic disaster. Republicans argue that the bigger the government is, the smaller the private sector. The Tea Party prescription: shrink government, lower taxes, decrease regulation, and the economy will rebound through private enterprise.

"Facts are hard to argue with," Governor Walker of Wisconsin declared in a Heritage interview earlier this month. In the three years before his election, the Democratic State legislature and Democratic governor presided over the loss of 150,000 jobs. In Walker's first six months in office, Wisconsin added a net of 39,000 jobs, including 14,000 in manufacturing. The remainder were in agriculture, tourism, biotech and medical technology.

In June, Walker earned boasting rights that half of the new jobs in the entire country -- a shocking and paltry 19,000 -- were created in his state. In the same month, Democrat Illinois next door lost 7,000 jobs. (For more on Illinois jobs, see this - ed.)

Not only did Wisconsin add private sector jobs, they trimmed government jobs by 3,000. Instead of leading to disaster, 12,500 private jobs were added, leading to the one month total of 9,500 net new jobs.

What changed for Wisconsin? Republican policies made the dramatic difference. In his first six months, Governor Walker and his Republican legislature passed tort reform and regulatory reform to create a legal system that fosters economic growth instead of suffocating it. They balanced the budget and cut taxes, including freezing property taxes. To encourage business expansion, they passed a manufacturing tax credit and capital gains tax credit.

The cuts were not at the expense of the health and senior services. The budget continues BadgerCare, Medical Assistance, and SeniorCare, and allocates an additional $1.2 billion into the state's Medicaid program. All new revenue in the next two years will go to the Department of Health Services.

The budget did cut $800 million in aid to local school districts. However, the Republicans freed school districts of onerous union requirements that expensive health insurance must be purchased through the union. School districts quickly turned to the competitive private insurance market and have saved as much as $700,000 a year.

Shrinking government is impossible without taking on the public sector unions. Walker gained national media coverage with his challenge to the public union scam: non-voluntary union dues from government workers are paid into Democrat coffers to elect officials that negotiate give-away contracts at a ruinous cost to the taxpayers. Government salaries and benefits are 60% of the taxpayer burden. Teacher benefit to salary ratio was running three times higher than the private sector. In Milwaukee, $100,000 teacher compensation packages were bankrupting the school system, leading to layoffs of hundreds of teachers, and explosion in class size to an estimated 34 students. Reforming collective bargaining was essential to protect taxpayers and Wisconsin's schoolchildren.

Wisconsin Republicans won a historic victory over this extortion racket of public sector unions. We all remember the famous February demonstrations and the flight of Democrat legislators. Despite the media circus, the Republicans passed a law that requires union members to contribute 12.6 percent toward health insurance premiums and 5.8 percent of their salaries toward their pensions. They had been paying nothing. Nationwide, in the private sector, the average contribution is 20% by employees for their health insurance and 8% towards their pension.

John McCormack, writing for The Weekly Standard, describes the beneficial effects of this single Republican reform. Case in point, the Brown Deer school district had been negotiating unsuccessfully with the local union to cope with a $1 million budget shortfall.

"We laid off 27 [teachers] as a precautionary measure," Koczela told Walker. "They were crying. Some of these people are my friends."

Republican reforms allowed the school district to save $600,000 by teachers paying 5.8% towards their pensions. Changes such as a $10 doctor's visit co-pay (up from nothing) ​saved $200,000. Increasing the workload from five classes to six saved another $200,000. The budget was balanced. None of the changes affected the children. 27 teachers' jobs were saved.

The Pittsfield school district made up their shortfall and reduced property taxes by 9 percent. The Kaukauna school district turned a $400,000 deficit into a $1.5 million surplus. They plan to decrease class size, offer Chinese and Arabic, and offer more Advanced Placement classes. Children and taxpayers were the winners, and no teachers were laid off. The limitation on public sector unions' collective bargaining was the key to fiscal responsibility.

While Walker was taking on the teacher's unions, in neighbouring Democrat Illinois, the top school administrators get to retire at age 56 with a lifetime pension worth almost $9,000,000 each. Neil C. Codell of the Niles High School District (a suburb of Chicago) gets a salary of $885,327 and his pension is valued at $26,661,604. While Republicans were balancing the Wisconsin budget, Illinois has run up a $13,000,000,000 (yes that's billions) deficit. While Republican Wisconsin added jobs, the Illinois unemployment rate has been rising for three months, and stands at 9.5%. 33% of blacks age 20-24 have no jobs.

Obama's prescription, the famous stimulus, was wasted in Democrat-run Wisconsin by using it to pay the bloated public sector benefits for a single year. 80% of the $701 million federal stimulus funds Wisconsin received in 2009 went to public union workers. The cost to the taxpayer was $82,000 per job. Wisconsin lost 118,000 jobs despite the Democrat spending. By July of 2011, the state had received another billion dollars, and the White House's stimulus tracking website was boasting less than 5,000 workers were employed as a result. That's costing taxpayers $2 million per job. How could it be this bad? Because government spending doesn't grow an economy. Ozaukee County's transit service used $600,000 dollars to buy nine new shared ride taxis, five minibuses and 22 mobile GPS systems. Jobs created: zero. The City of Racine got $800,000 in stimulus money and used it to put in energy efficient LED streetlights, hiring an unemployed electrician to install them. The $800,000 amounted to one temporary job. The University of Wisconsin received 2 million dollars and created 3.7 jobs, at more than half a million dollar per job. No wonder our country is going broke.

How did Illinois do with the Democratic prescription for government stimulus as the best and only way to create jobs? A mere $170 million was allocated to highway construction, the most in the country and double the next state, Iowa. Three quarters of the stimulus, $2.9 billion, was used to pay Medicare reimbursements that the state had not been able to pay for years, leading to no new jobs. The state claimed the creation of 15,000 jobs, the most in the nation. Yet in the two months of February- March 2009, Illinois lost 40,000 jobs. In the twelve months of the 2009 tax year, they lost 230,000 jobs, a loss of 11%. Despite the self-congratulation by Democrats on their stimulus policy, Illinois ranks 48th in the nation in job growth. The Democrats are hard put to point to any growth in the private sector. In Chicago, the list of funded projects reads like philanthropy, not economic growth:

* $270,000 for the study of 'intergalactic gas' at the University of Chicago. No jobs were created
* $462,000 to study sharks at the University of Chicago. No new jobs
* $85,000 study on how parents contribute to their children's obesity, Northwestern University. No jobs
* $500,000 to a private company for work on 'finger-tapping technology' for use on cell phones
* $611,000 to the University of Illinois to study if stress makes people drink more

Democrat Illinois has a $13 billion deficit and passed a 66% state income tax increase in January. People are suffering, education is suffering, the economic situation appears hopeless.

Wisconsin's nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau estimates Republican Wisconsin will finish the two-year budget with a $300 million surplus. They lowered classroom size and funded health care, created jobs and cut taxes. Their economy is on an upswing.

It's not rocket science. Ordinary Republican ideas for job growth work in the real world. America has enormous economic muscle. We just need to get the 800 pound government gorilla off our back.

Also from AT:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/do_republicans_ideas_lead_to_job_growth.html

Don't like the source? Then refute the facts.
 
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(setting up a pool on how long before lagboltz notices)

:D

Well its been three days. I wanna put my bet on Sept 1. But I think that my post will be the impetus for lag to read your post again and therefore to figure it out before it otherwise would have been noticed.

Lag, We all miss even the most obvious stuff esp when it concerns interpretation. In no way do I hold it against you nor think that you are in any way less intelligent* for not noticing. My post here is along the lines of friendly banter between brothers.

* in fact when I want a math problem solved I will surely be asking you. I have not sat down with this one yet but I would like to see the formula for comparing two different gas products that each give different MPH and cost a different amount to see which one is most economical. As an explanation, my local BP has non ethanol gas which is supposed to give a higher mpg but cost more while the local Thorntons has ethanol gas which has a lower mpg but cost less. Which should I buy and what price difference do I need to see before I make the change?
 
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