Should marijuana be legalized?

Should we legalize it?

  • Yes

    Votes: 52 73.2%
  • No

    Votes: 19 26.8%

  • Total voters
    71
I believe the discussion was about legalizing pot, not about the personalities of the debaters on this forum.

If a correspondent wants to be taken seriously, then the way to accomplish that should be to have valid arguments, backed up by facts, and written in standard English. I usually don't comment on that last one, but when someone writes in an ungrammatical fashion while extolling the virtues of pot smoking, it does raise the question of whether that writer simply never learned the conventions of writing, or whether his brain is so addled on pot that he can no longer apply them.

Changing the color, size, or case of the font doesn't change the message being written one way or another.;)


Ok ok I wasn't going to get involved in this but you are unbelievable.

First of all, you changed the subject because someone didn't use perfect grammer on an internet forum where it is commonplace to shorten words, use imperfect grammer etc. as long as it is perfectley understandable. So it's you who changed this from pot. Nice one.

And I think this man knows how to write and the basics of grammer as he has managed to gain enough money in his life to buy a computer, connect it up to the internet and get through life.

And by the sound of it you've never smoked pot in your life, or you have and you tweaked out on it hardcore and went home back to your parents basement to sit around catching people out on their grammer to make up for your lack of knowledge on the subject, or even what you believe.

You wade in here, change the subject to grammer, then accuse us of being off topic before accusing this man of being such a stoner he can barely write. What kind of world do you live in son?
 
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This is because of CONTINUED pressure from the United States as well as the New Conservative party that controls Holland Currently this talk has been going on since 2000


No it is because the junkies are hurting the tourist trade. And the rehab programs are becoming far more costly than anyone ever dreamed they woud be.
 
do you have anything of substance for the Discussion? No i didnt think so you dont like the colors? too bad, it defines my answers from the O.P

I think your color changes are just fine. If they harken you back to your crayon days, then by all means use them. But then dopers really don't ever leave their crayond days behind...do they?
 
No it is because the junkies are hurting the tourist trade. And the rehab programs are becoming far more costly than anyone ever dreamed they woud be.
YES the United States, and its Drug Czar, have been applying pressure to the Dutch Government since 2000...after the Bush Admin took over and appointed the New czar.... that is a documented fact..... the U.S. Sent the Drug Czar, to Amsterdam, and the hague, to apply pressure ,pertaining to the tolerated drug use in holland. ....I was there during the visit. I saw, and spoke with him myself..It was reported in the news, both in Holland, as well as at home. Your quite simply Mis-informed on this aspect of the whole thing...


This is a FALLACY there is No Longer a Junkie Presence. I touched on this in one of my posts .Yes at one time there WAS a defenite issue, with Junkies Hurting tourism. That is why the dutch Model came to be. They are off the streets .They no longer live in Vondel park. How many times have you been to Amsterdam? When was the last time you were there? Do you Know any Local Amsterdammers?

Have you spent any amount of time there? i.e a month or more? I have. and I also have many local friends. what you are implying, just isnt true my friend. Ive been there more times than the average American.I have stayed as long as 3 months at once...

I saw with my own eyes, how the street situation improved Both In Amsterdam, and in Rotterdam. The junkies no longer are lying in the streets. The Smack dealers are no longer wandering the streets hawking theyre wares..Now it has been reduced to mainly Poor immigrants, usually from very poor countries who try and hawk coke, and Xtacy, In the red light district at night.


They are very visible, very well known, and widely IGNORED by locals, and tourists alike!! In the early eighties ,there were still issues with some of the junkies ...that has been cleared, and the streets kept clean of junkies..

They are all basically situated in one general area now.
All of the Dutchs medical is expensive they provide health and welfare to all citizens equally, in a socialist sort of manner.... They pay dearly with high taxes, to support these programs.... yet the Dutch are perfectly fine with this as theyre system works quite well for them.


they are far more free than we have ever been in this country .....They take a secret pride in knowing so also . they laugh at The notion that we are Free in the united states....not all of them but quite a few .they are far more progressive than we are also .they ar on par with technology.there Culture is wonderful the History Rich and ancient..


In the United States what it boils down to these days is this

You are as "Free" as you can afford to be

freedom is now bought as a commodity it is no loger automatic the privelaged are those who can say they are free yet they still are only as free as they can afford to be



the other way to be free in america?

By being poor and self sufficent like in areas of the catskills and areas of the appalachians as material wealt and trappings that most of you claw for greedily every day ......have little to NO value to these poor people they are rich in life
 
I think your color changes are just fine. If they harken you back to your crayon days, then by all means use them. But then dopers really don't ever leave their crayond days behind...do they?

you see...............MY MY arent we so SMUG!!! are you proud of what you wrote? Wow you really should be.It was well.....Trite!! Did you think that all up on your own? wow!! yes sir we have the makings of a fine discussion here ....


Gee lets call him a doper everyone!!! yeah a no good stoner man!!!!!! yeah hes a loser man!!!!!!! dope fiend............Stoner.........freak..........hippy...........flower child............druggie...................pothead..............


the argument or debate has already been won BY ME as you all have devolved to insults and innuendo nice try though really. good effort. please try again
 
No it is because the junkies are hurting the tourist trade. And the rehab programs are becoming far more costly than anyone ever dreamed they woud be.
YES the United States, and its Drug Czar, have been applying pressure to the Dutch Government since 2000...after the Bush Admin took over and appointed the New czar.... that is a documented fact..... the U.S. Sent the Drug Czar, to Amsterdam, and the hague, to apply pressure ,pertaining to the tolerated drug use in holland. ....I was there during the visit. I saw, and spoke with him myself..It was reported in the news, both in Holland, as well as at home. Your quite simply Mis-informed on this aspect of the whole thing...


This is a FALLACY there is No Longer a Junkie Presence. I touched on this in one of my posts .Yes at one time there WAS a defenite issue, with Junkies Hurting tourism. That is why the dutch Model came to be. They are off the streets .They no longer live in Vondel park. How many times have you been to Amsterdam? When was the last time you were there? Do you Know any Local Amsterdammers?

Have you spent any amount of time there? i.e a month or more? I have. and I also have many local friends. what you are implying, just isnt true my friend. Ive been there more times than the average American.I have stayed as long as 3 months at once...

I saw with my own eyes, how the street situation improved Both In Amsterdam, and in Rotterdam. The junkies no longer are lying in the streets. The Smack dealers are no longer wandering the streets hawking theyre wares..Now it has been reduced to mainly Poor immigrants, usually from very poor countries who try and hawk coke, and Xtacy, In the red light district at night.


They are very visible, very well known, and widely IGNORED by locals, and tourists alike!! In the early eighties ,there were still issues with some of the junkies ...that has been cleared, and the streets kept clean of junkies..

They are all basically situated in one general area now.
All of the Dutchs medical is expensive they provide health and welfare to all citizens equally, in a socialist sort of manner.... They pay dearly with high taxes, to support these programs.... yet the Dutch are perfectly fine with this as theyre system works quite well for them.


they are far more free than we have ever been in this country .....They take a secret pride in knowing so also . they laugh at The notion that we are Free in the united states....not all of them but quite a few .they are far more progressive than we are also .they ar on par with technology.there Culture is wonderful the History Rich and ancient..


In the United States what it boils down to these days is this

You are as "Free" as you can afford to be

freedom is now bought as a commodity it is no loger automatic the privelaged are those who can say they are free yet they still are only as free as they can afford to be



the other way to be free in america?

By being poor and self sufficent like in areas of the catskills and areas of the appalachians as material wealt and trappings that most of you claw for greedily every day ......have little to NO value to these poor people they are rich in life
 
I think your color changes are just fine. If they harken you back to your crayon days, then by all means use them. But then dopers really don't ever leave their crayond days behind...do they?


Yeah it just shows with you. Child of the 60's, smoked a bit of pot and is now a backward thinking convservatist scared of change.
 
Yeah it just shows with you. Child of the 60's, smoked a bit of pot and is now a backward thinking convservatist scared of change.

Backward thinking. Is that what you call learning something from your mistakes? If I hit my thumb with a hammer, is it backwards thinking to avoid hitting my thumb again, and warning others about the dangers of not watching out for their thumbs?

Your arguments get weaker and weaker and are tilting now towards personal insult rather than any argument at all.
 
excuse us ..................


what was that last comment ou posted about Crayons and sh^t?


and he has devolved to insult you need a reality check pal

BTW your as Dumb as a box of rocks on this subject you should leave the thread
 
No, but when a idea comes around that is new, untested, or a fresh approach people like you bat it off because you don't want to risk it. Bit like a cat, scared of change.

And as for personal insults, you've basically accused roker of being braindead because he smokes a bit of skunk.
 
shetland pony rider is once again doing his usual fearmongering against any peaceful behavior he disagrees with... I'm shocked...NOT!

Drugs were once completely legal in this country. There was no mass chaos or mass crime as a result:

Drugs Once Were Legal: A Comparison to the Current Drug Crisis

by Harry Browne

Few people are aware that before World War I, a 9-year-old girl could walk into a drug store and buy heroin.

That's right – heroin. She didn't need a doctor's prescription or a note from her parents. She could buy it right off the shelf. Bayer and other large drug companies sold heroin as a pain-reliever and sedative in measured doses – just the way aspirin is sold today. Cocaine, opium, and marijuana were readily available as well. No Drug Enforcement Agency, no undercover cops, no "Parents – the Anti-Drug" commercials. Just people going about their own business is whatever way they chose.

Seeing today's never-ending crisis of teenagers using drugs, you can imagine how bad it must have been when there were no laws to stop children – or adults – from using drugs. But, in fact, there was no drug crisis at all. A few people were addicted to heroin or cocaine, just as a few people today are addicted to sleeping pills or Big Macs, but there was no national uproar about it. Such people, if they wanted to break their habits, could freely consult doctors without fear of being sent to prison.

There were no black-market drug dealers preying on school children. There were no gang wars over drug profits, because there were no drug gangs. After all, who would buy dangerous drugs from a gangster at outrageous prices when he could buy safe drugs made by a reputable drug company at modest prices?

Americans got a taste of what a Drug War might be like when they endorsed the 18th Amendment invoking alcohol Prohibition in 1919. The result was gang warfare, people dying from drinking bathtub gin, corruption in police departments, and non-violent citizens sent to prison for indulging in a vice that was strictly personal. Most Americans rejoiced when Prohibition was repealed in 1933. The chances of them supporting another such Constitutional amendment within the next 50 years were slim to none.

So the federal government didn't dare try amending the Constitution when politicians and bureaucrats decided to reinstate all the trappings of Prohibition in a new Drug War. This War That Will Never End was begun in stages – probably starting with the rarely-enforced Harrison Act of 1914. In my recollection, the Drug War as we know it today began during the 1960s, moved into second and third gears during the Nixon administration of 1969–1974, and shifted into overdrive during the Reagan administration of 1981–1989.

The Drug War has been easily the greatest cause of violent crime in American history: Gangs fighting over monopoly territories, children killed in drive-by shootings, families in the inner city living with the constant sound of gunfire outside their doors, police killing innocent people in misguided drug raids, crooked cops helping to spread poisonous drugs, non-violent citizens sent to prison to be terrorized by violent prisoners – none of which would exist in the absence of the federal drug laws.

There is nothing that could make our cities safer than repealing the drug laws – all of them.

Does the idea of heroin, cocaine, and opium being sold over the counter sound too ludicrous to be true? You can check it out for yourself. A marvelous website, maintained by the University of Buffalo's Addiction Research Unit, shows the actual labels and ads from patent medicines of the 19th and early-20th centuries. You can see the claims made, the ingredients used, and the acceptance of what so many Americans fear today.

That era of innocence didn't end because America was threatened by a drug crisis. It was ended in the traditional way – by politicians looking for new worlds to conquer, politicians who have no interest in examining dispassionately the chaos they cause, and who will never face a single personal consequence for the lives they have ruined.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/browne/browne32.html
 
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But then dopers

I've never used drugs myself. I don't even drink (or smoke). But I don't own other people and have no right to control their actions if those actions are peaceful and don't directly threaten me. I would certainly try to persuade other people that using drugs is not the best choice. However, I would not hold a gun to their head, or send the guns of government after them, if they ignored me and went to their home to smoke a joint.
 
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